Finland, Russia, Balts, Belarus, Ukraine, Greater Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey and the Caucausus are solely Eastern Europe

To Iwo Jima:

Japan had more than 1 airbase, and Iwo Jima; have you seen it on a map? It's nowhere close.

The MSOO was way more important in terms of scaring Japan.

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Fine. It's not truly important.

So, in place of Iwo Jima, how about the Genko Line and Manila?

Yeah, the taking of the Phillipines was important...but can you really say it's relatively important? Than, to say, the taking of Manchuria or Indonesia or Indochina?

Well, I was actually asking you. You seem to be the expert here on WWII. I had an uncle who fought and died in Manila. Whatever got him killed earned him the Silver Star, apparently. I just wanted to know how important the Philippines was, especially that island, if possible.

I think Yorktown is the most influential battle in history, if not the most important battle. After this battle, America was established, and was set on a course to become the economic, social, political and militaristic ultrapower we see today.

I personally believe the battle of Tours is one of the most important for western civilization. If not for that battle, Christianity wouldn't exist anymore.

Phillipines was American territory before the war. When Japs took it, it was on the list of things America wanted back from dem dare Japs.

After Battle of Leyte Gulf wiped out the remnants of the IJN, Japan was fighting a useless war in the name of the Emperor. Pretty unimportant, but it was messy. Terrible Japanese reconnaisance, and underestimation by Allied forces spelled an engagement where neither side was prepared for each other.

I think Yorktown is the most influential battle in history

By that logic; I think the most important battle was when humans started to demand species' independence from Missing Link (and monkeys, too).

No, actually, I think the most important battle was between the Earth and the Moon. The Moon might have ended us or slowed us quite a bit. Thank god we survived that one.

I think I made myself clear.

It was an Important battle because of how it influenced our history and today's world. Tell me how much of an impact Kursk had. By that logic that Kursk is important, then the Xth Sacking of Rome in 5th Century AD was important too.

Phillipines was American territory before the war. When Japs took it, it was on the list of things America wanted back from dem dare Japs.

After Battle of Leyte Gulf wiped out the remnants of the IJN, Japan was fighting a useless war in the name of the Emperor. Pretty unimportant, but it was messy. Terrible Japanese reconnaisance, and underestimation by Allied forces spelled an engagement where neither side was prepared for each other.

I'd say the Japanese complete defeat at the Philippines started at Luzon Battle.

Well, I was actually asking you. You seem to be the expert here on WWII.

Ah, thank you for this wonderful title. My opinion on this is that the Phillipines were one of several retakings, and not the most important one either (I'd put it in 4th most important; smaller than Indonesia, Indochina, and far less important to the Japanese than Manchuria or Korea and about the same size as Burma-Azai Hind and Thailand)

In terms of turning points, all these were just operations when victory was already in sight and clasp; the Solomon Islands and New Guinea were the points where Japan could not go on more. To be frank, the Solomon Islands was a half-assed effort by Japan, but New Guinea was the serious loss for Japan, and slowly from there, the Allies slowly took Indonesia and pushed back Japan.

Smolensk Battle was the morale boost that the Blitzkrieg could be stopped.
Moscow Battle predicted the end
Stalingrad Battle put the end in motion
Kursk Battle assured the end (and was the only one in which the German Blitzkrieg totally failed)

Also, America is not the most powerful country in the world - you know who really is.

ITS CHINA (cos of their hackers)
everything needs computers these days

Really? Because in another thread, it was stated that America has the power to overthrow entire governments and install dictatorships, that it can create worldwide terrorist groups, and that it could unbeknownst to the us populace spy on every American citizen and indoctrinate them all, that America's decisions in foreign policy have set up the modern geopolitical scene, that America's dollar is the reserve currency, that America leads a coalition of the strongest nations.

It is supposed statistical fact that America's economy is twice the output of China's(despite 1/4 the population and less PhDs) and 5x as much as the countries after that. It is supposed fact that America has military bases across the world, a Navy that is unmatched, a very large modern air force. It is supposed fact that US has over $16 trillion debt to other countries and is still afloat. It is supposed fact that America hosts several big businesses and banks that influence the world every day. It is supposed fact that America has fought for over 200 years of its 238-year existence, and still stands. It is supposed fact that the country has witnessed many severe lows and yet it remains afloat.

Based upon this information and countless other factors, you are quite the (ironically) fool if you think America is matched by any sole nation. (Edit: in the modern world. )

If you respond to this, bring it to an American bash thread and I'll respond there because i don't want this lovely thread derailed.

Battle of Pydna
Roman army in manipular system put the phalanx formation out of date decisively.

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If you respond to this, bring it to an American bash thread and I'll respond there because i don't want this lovely thread derailed.

Dirty trick, but ok. This is not over.

*X walks away in defeat , shamed of how he dishonered Lenin and Marx. He will find a way to defeat the great Khan and America.*

Thank you for the information, Mr. Expert. Although this doesn't pertain to a battle, I want to ask you the following question:

Would Russia have been defeated had Japan decided to attack them, rather than attacking the USA at Pearl Harbor?

I would like to hear your opinion on this.

What would they attack? "Japanese bombers have destroyed a square mile of forest in Siberia"

Yeah, Tupac's right; Siberia is perfect for guerilla warfare. It's only taiga and tundra, so Russia would lose Vladivostok and Khabaravosk, but otherwise, good luck getting to Novosibirsk, let alone Europe.

Think a similar outcome to the Japanese intervention in the Russian Civil War, and maybe double or triple the Japanese success/outcome; that's how successful they would be.

Note: Japan/Manchuko was playing footsies with Mongolia until around 1939 (with Mongolia winning with Soviet support by far; see Khalkhin Gol Battle).

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Concerning WWII -- would Russia (or England) have been able to defeat the Germans without the American Lend/Lease program?

I'd say the beginning o the end of the war for Japan was the attack on Perl Harbor. as Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto put it, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." They may have been able to stretch it out more if they would have then attacked the West Coast refinaries and done a land invasion of Hawaii -- but the end was written in the beginning.

Back to the thread:
Battle of Agincourt
Battle of New Orleans in the War of 1812
Battle of Cannae

Stalin addressing the bombing of that part of that
forest

"This is a day that will live in ignominy, on December,7th,1941 two deer and a pack of wolves were suddenly and deliberately attacked by the naval and air forces of the empire of Japan. "