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Also gay ACTS are natural in nature. Sex etc

But they don't love each other in a gay way.

I'm on a tablit it doesn't show up on here. But I know what your talking about thanks :)

True true but the religion didn't really influence any of this.

I didnt mean to take up the cudgels for polytheism or religion in general. It was the mere ABSENCE of a strong monotheist religion that didnt prevent the greek antiquity to flourish as it did. Under the monotheism Catholic Church, all authority was centralized at an institution that only had the conservation of its own power in mind.
In greek antiquity religion wasnt centralized like that, you had various gods and therefore various authorities, enabling a much greater pluralism in belief which enabled a greater freedom of thought. Since the gods of the greek were always quarreling among themselves, there was no way to fully satisfy all of them at the same time.

Rome adopted christianity 100 years before its fall. May I remind you that 1 reason rome fell was do to polytheism invaders so the knowledge being lost is due to them. Not Christian rome. After wards they themselves adopted christianity and had to restart civilization.

The Roman empire did adopt Christianity in an effort to halt its downfall. It was no coincidence. Centuries of decadence left it in decline and it was hoped that adopting Christianity could stop that process by uniting its people under one central identity. In this process, various religious cults of the Roman Empire found its way into Christianity, to ease its acceptance by the local populace.
That is why Catholicism is so full of Pagan rituals and sacraments.

I didnt mean to take up the cudgels for polytheism or religion in general. It was the mere ABSENCE of a strong monotheist religion that didnt prevent the greek antiquity to flourish as it did. Under the monotheism Catholic Church, all authority was centralized at an institution that only had the conservation of its own power in mind.
In greek antiquity religion wasnt centralized like that, you had various gods and therefore various authorities, enabling a much greater pluralism in belief which enabled a greater freedom of thought. Since the gods of the greek were always quarreling among themselves, there was no way to fully satisfy all of them at the same time.


Greece was at war with its self all the time. The gods quarreling with each other gave some support for the wars. Also do to the down fall of the Golden age (most of the wars wernt do to religion. They just used the gods as a rally and to justify some things.)


The Roman empire did adopt Christianity in an effort to halt its downfall. It was no coincidence. Centuries of decadence left it in decline and it was hoped that adopting Christianity could stop that process by uniting its people under one central identity. In this process, various religious cults of the Roman Empire found its way into Christianity, to ease its acceptance by the local populace.
That is why Catholicism is so full of Pagan rituals and sacraments.



They adopted christianity because most of the citizens were becoming christian. So keeping christianity as a crime would imprison many people. So it wasn't exactly to prevent their downfall. But It did unite.


Catholicism is influenced by the Roman cults.

Vestal Virgins=nuns

Pontifix Maximus=Pope

and you dont have a clue what racism means...

Racism is the belief that one RACE is superior to another. However gays are not a race. Caucasians are a race, African Americans are a race, Asians are a race. You can get even more specific if you want. Sexual orientation is not an ethnicity however. Straight people are not a race anymore than gays or bisexuals are.

Come on now Ranek, if you're going to demonize your enemy at-least get your terminology right.

Yet the common denominator of homophobia, sexism and racism is intolerance. They all have a high comorbidity within the same intolerant personality disorder.

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This is exhausting. Racism has not much to do with races, then rather with social groups. The jews arent a race either. Racism consists of prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences. It is meant to prove superiority by condemning and debase social minorities, that dont fit in the superior ideology. you can also call it xenophobia, if you prefer that. It is exactly what you are doing by stating homosexuality is a crime (and before you tell me again, that it is a crime in several countries, have a look at my former explanation...).

Everyone will have there own opinion on this and nothing Lawlz can say will change that, But that goes two ways, What right do any of you have to decide the morals and ethics of others?
There is no such thing as a right or wrong opinion and there is no such thing as right or wrong ethics so respect others choices in their beliefs and perhaps just perhaps they will respect yours.

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HOLY F'ING SH**. YOU GUYS ARE EURO-CENTRIC AS HELL!

Genghis Khan the Nomadic Civilization Representative here to explain to you all about the Dark Ages and the Renaissance! 2 Things that didn't really exist, and because they didn't really exist or happen, they're pretty irrelevant to anything and everything!

The Dark Ages (or Early Middle Ages, whatever) occured due to the collapse of the Western Roman Empire and ensuing power vacuum. Without anybody to take orders from anymore, the barbarous invaders and other likes had to set up shop and get the ball rolling again! The Church was a recognized symbol in Europe, and thus a lot of the rising powers came to respect and praise the Catholic Church and its power rose steadily and exponentially off and on. Over time, humanity stagnated in technological advancement as plagues were everywhere, wars ran amok and feudalism was magically imported from Japan! Somehow. Don't ask.

However, after a thousand years of this BS to glorious Europa, an awesomeness wave of a shift from awesome hair to awesome shirt came about and a bunch of stunning architecture, revived literature and new knowledge from the old antiquity came about and spurred a Renaissance, literally a rebirth!

And thus, Humanity advanced once more into a triumph, having slowly become wary of the Church and preparing things for Europe to become a dominant power. Except not.

The Dark Ages were only really dark for Europe. Meanwhile, China and other cultures of the like in the modern-day Middle East, North Africa and notably the Americas rose about and came to be. In Arabia especially, the quality of peoples' life was booming. Knowledge was increasing, and some soothsayers say that they actually nurtured and fostered our modern-day numerals system! (1234567890, so much better than I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX,X! Whew...)

Now, even if the Dark Ages were only in Europe, the Dark Ages still happened right? Wrong!
When Rome took over Europe, most of the wealth was coming to Rome and regional capitals and urban areas. That's it. Most people who were rural were just the peasants who were a foundation for the wealthy and the Legions. Life was pretty cruddy. But then, wait for it, the Huns (okay a whole bunch of other barbarians too) rode in with fancy horses skills and steppes language and barbarian meal etiquette and ghetto bows and Seaxes and etc. and they're all "Oh cool, liberation from a tyrant! Yay! Go freedom train, go!". Except no. Barbarians were already integrated, assimilated and added a cultural portion to the Roman Empire, and what it meant to be Roman was liberalized and misconstrued every day. The Roman Auxiliaries are the best way to express this: The Barbarians they had just fought were now literally fighting for them. Dafuq?

Barbarians were never AT the gates. Barbarians were the people INSIDE the gates! The Barbarian invasions were just a formalization of the fact.
I must say though, you people are very, very biased Rome lovers! What did Rome do besides... okay, I guess I can understand why you like them, but Greece? Why the hell would you like them? They're just a bunch of crackpot theorists who fight each other all the time for no reason! Compare that to an Empire of religious freedom, regional autonomy that is the Achaemenids of Persia. I'd love to be Ephialtes; he was right to betray Leo.

But I digress.

Now you're saying, " But Genghis, what about Leonardo Da Vinci! My butt buddy, my soul mate and my 50 Shades of Grey fantasy affair rape! ".



Long story short, only rich people got to see half the stuff the Renaissance brought out, peasants barely noticed a difference besides " Hey, we're not at war as much " and most of the Renaissance stuff was outdated compared to the stuff the Eastern world was pumping out. Also, the Renaissance was still pretty bad. Remember my horde? (refer to my earlier picture)

With Renaissance and Dark Age misconceptions out of the way, time for some cold hard truths:

Don't tell your kids what to believe. Offer them different viewpoints and let them decide. Or better yet, let them find out on their own.
Now, pretend everybody alive is your kids.

And finally, don't be an asshole c*** munch. Don't tell people their lifestyle is wrong unless they personally, in your face, infringe upon your beliefs. This means that this entire flame war should be rendered null because it is just people using all caps and thinking up nasty insults behind a computer. Let me just tell you where this discussion goes, where every other discussion like it has gone, and where every discussion like it in the future will go:

At last, a person with intelligence ^

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Shouldn't your name before Chinggis? Genghis was so last century :P

This is exhausting. Racism has not much to do with races, then rather with social groups. The jews arent a race either. Racism consists of prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences. It is meant to prove superiority by condemning and debase social minorities, that dont fit in the superior ideology. you can also call it xenophobia, if you prefer that. It is exactly what you are doing by stating homosexuality is a crime (and before you tell me again, that it is a crime in several countries, have a look at my former explanation...).



I honestly can't tell if the bad grammar is throwing off your true meaning or if you really are that ignorant of these topics.

Racism:
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

So again, Racism is the belief that one RACE is superior to another. Homosexuality has no place in a discussion about racism. And for your information, Jews are typically considered an ethnic group/race.

"Prove superiority by condemning social minorities"

By your logic any organized group could be called a race.

Xenophobia:
noun
intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries

This also has nothing to do with homosexuality. Gays are not a race. Stating the fact that homosexuality is illegal in some countries (Which is a fact, what is your problem here? Are you scared of this little fact?) is not racist.

When Rome took over Europe, most of the wealth was coming to Rome and regional capitals and urban areas. That's it. Most people who were rural were just the peasants who were a foundation for the wealthy and the Legions. Life was pretty cruddy.


Urban peasants got baths and gladiatorial games. So their taxes went to health and entertainment. Oh and aqueducts. They also got to keep their culture.


But then, wait for it, the Huns (okay a whole bunch of other barbarians too) rode in with fancy horses skills and steppes language and barbarian meal etiquette and ghetto bows and Seaxes and etc. and they're all "Oh cool, liberation from a tyrant! Yay! Go freedom train, go!".

they just wanted booty. Didn't care about liberating.


Barbarians were already integrated, assimilated and added a cultural portion to the Roman Empire, and what it meant to be Roman was liberalized and misconstrued every day. The Roman Auxiliaries are the best way to express this: The Barbarians they had just fought were now literally fighting for them. Dafuq?

The Goths warred rome because the Huns were coming. Rome had enough and just said "here have some land but intern fight for us" a 50/50 deal. That why they went from enemies to auxiliaries.


Barbarians were never AT the gates. Barbarians were the people INSIDE the gates! The Barbarian invasions were just a formalization of the fact.

Some were in some were out.
Lombards, Lombardi, visi-goths, ostrogoths, Franks, picts, Huns, Sassanids, We're all outside the gates All ready for attack.



I must say though, you people are very, very biased Rome lovers! What did Rome do besides... okay, I guess I can understand why you like them, but Greece? Why the hell would you like them? They're just a bunch of crackpot theorists who fight each other all the time for no reason! Compare that to an Empire of religious freedom, regional autonomy that is the Achaemenids of Persia. I'd love to be Ephialtes; he was right to betray Leo.

Rome had religious freedom(except christianity for a time) and regional autonomy.

Greece advanced in philosophy, architecture, science, warfare, government. Their whole culture advanced the world.


The dark ages was a lost of interest in the arts and sciences. The Renaissance was the revival of this.

I must say though, you people are very, very biased Rome lovers! What did Rome do besides... okay, I guess I can understand why you like them, but Greece? Why the hell would you like them? They're just a bunch of crackpot theorists who fight each other all the time for no reason! Compare that to an Empire of religious freedom, regional autonomy that is the Achaemenids of Persia. I'd love to be Ephialtes; he was right to betray Leo.

Hey, look at your profile picture.

What about the rural peasants? Point still valid.

You misread that statement. The peasants were saying " go freedom train go".

Lucid, your point on auxiliary still doesn't denounce it. Barbarians were fighting for Rome instead of true " Romans". Without loyalty, what is an army?

(Nothing about barbarians at the gate since we had the same page there)

I was comparing achaemenid Persia to Greece, not both. Besides, that was just the tip of the iceberg for Persia's many contributions to empires.

Greece's culture of constant barbaric fighting (ironic,they coined the term barbarian) influenced nothing outside of the Mediterranean. Look at China.

" Dark Ages " was just everybody agreeing " Wow, things never really were good at all. "
" Renaissance " was just a bunch of elites and nobles saying " Wow, things were really that good! "

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Pardon, but what about my picture? It's genghis the khan from civ 4.

Chinggis is a term the general public doesn't know squat of. Best to keep it simple and plausible. Besides, it goes with the image.

hey smart ass, it doesnt matter if you write big letters or not. There is no need for discussing the meaning of these words, which only describe my impression. In my opinion you are racist. Thats it, and I really dont care if you agree with my understanding of this term or not. You are hiding behind stupid quibbling instead of explaining yourself.

Well your opinion is wrong. I'm not a racist because I believe all races/ethnic groups are equal. I have no explanations to give to someone who doesn't even know what racism is.

Also, good job on getting mad when someone corrects you.