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Best to not say 'gg' unless you are the player you lost imo.

I've played 1000s of games but only a few of them I'd consider being 'good games'. A lot of games can be decided by knowing which picks opponents have rather than being a good battle. Auto dist is luck based so isn't really a good battle unless you have equivalent starts as your opponent.

Edit: and don't say gg while the game is still in-progress and you haven't surrendered.

Edited 6/7/2024 22:56:20

If i enjoyed the game, i say "gg"

If the other party is a bad sport, its his problem, not yours

Someone once called me the n word because I beat them and said 'gg' first, then he continued to trash talk afterward.

Some people are just too hypercompetitive for their own good, to where a loss triggers a rush of cortisol in their brains.

Edited 6/7/2024 23:45:58

I actually tend to echo Dan's sentiment. I never say "gg" when I win unless the opponent says it first. Seems like common courtesy to me. The only times when it can be passable to say "gg" first when winning is in RT games and MD games that were RTed. Otherwise, saying "gg" in an MD game after the opponent has surrendered hours ago without saying anything seems provocative.

Oh true, didnt read the timestamps of the messages.
Agreed with ps, saying "gg" to a opponent who surrendered in a multi-day and who didnt say anything?

No way.
Out of respect to him, of course. Making him re-enter the game just to read me say "gg" feels wrong

I once had a guy say "gg" in Crimea 2v2 game.

@kallisti that guy was obviously trolling

Dan, would you say "good morning" only if the morning has above average qualities?

“Good morning” is a greeting though, “good game” isn’t. They can’t be compared.

I wouldn’t go name calling just because of using the phrase the ‘wrong’ way.

I didn't use good morning as an example for a greeting here, but for a set phrase that isn't meant to literally describe the circumstances

I never say gg first after a win.
I dont mind much if others do (not that i would know, as i never lose, ofc),
but i understand how it could be perceived in a negative way.

When there was no convo during game, i personally only write gg when enemy did so first, its a pretty useless phrase at this point, as its used even when the game was trash.

Dan, would you say "good morning" only if the morning has above average qualities?

Personally i prefer things to be somewhat true to their literal meaning. Only because we distanced one phrase from its literal meaning, doesnt mean we need to do it with the next. Other way around seems better to me.

Also, i wouldnt be surprised if "good morning" isnt really originally a statement that the morning is good, but rather wishing someone a good morning. This would align with how in german we say "guten morgen" rather than "guter morgen".
So you dont need it to actually be a good morning to use it as a greeting.

I kind of like "meaningless" phrases as an expression of respect. A large share of these was lost in the last few generations, which I am not finding a great development. When I say gg after I win, it carries the meaning of an expression of respect regardless of the game result much more than a rating of the game quality.

I'm finding gg very much comparable to a shake hands after a chess match, if that example is familiar to you. It would be weird to just get up and go away because you won :)

I never use gg. If someone played well and I feel the need to say something, I'll say it
Like, if I won I'll point out that it was a hard slog, or buddy made me work for it, or luck of the draw when it comes to picks or something.
Ditto if I lost. Maybe a "I have no idea how I screwed that up" or something.


I've been called the N word. But to be fair, me mudder is from Newfoundland, and I am a Nerd of Potsie like proportions and although nobody has ever called the the dreaded N word of death, as my father is a French Canadian, it would be fair game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Valli%C3%A8res

Edited 6/8/2024 06:16:46

I think such social boilerplate is just decreasing efficiency in convos.
It has personal benefits to use these, but only for the individual rather than the society.

An example:
Female friend of mine asks me how i like her new pants.
i have 2 options:
1. tell her i like the new pants (lie).
2. tell her i dont like the new pants (truth).

Rational choice is 1., because only effect on me personally is the effect on my social connection to her.
This is also how this social boiler plate comes into existence, its generally just the better option for the individual.
Obviously, quality of communication goes down, because we arent getting the truth across (-> not good for society as a whole)

Something like a handshake or a "gg" maybe doesnt decrease communication quality as much (its just useless boilerplate),
but it comes to exist in a similar way.
Initially, a sign of respect, has meaning, and boosts your social status.
But then everyone does it - its no longer really a sign of respect, but rather its a sign of disrespect not to do it.
So we are at the same situation as before the "gg" or handshake, just with some added boilerplate that now everyone has to follow to not be perceived as disrespectful.

Personally i ve come to value directness and honesty over trying to follow social norms (allthough you maybe cant always tell if the person is honest or just following a norm).

When I say gg after I win, it carries the meaning of an expression of respect regardless of the game result much more than a rating of the game quality.

If your respect goes out to literally anyone, independent of basically all parameters (maybe except for getting insulted during the game? :D), then your respect isnt worth anything. I also hardly believe that you truly respect every single opponent you ve played. You are just following a social norm.

Edited 6/8/2024 06:36:42

In many democratic countries in the world, we are facing a political landscape where rudeness is increasingly becoming the norm. That's one example of a social development happening at many places, closely connected to the raise of the internet. I've heard the opinion you've just eloquently explained many times, and I totally understand what you mean. Nonetheless, you would be surprised how much a simple expression of respect can do to create a playing field that's enjoyable for everyone. I've encountered so many situations where this was all it took.

There is only one thing you mentioned which I very heavily disagree with, namely that my respect is worthless if it's independent of almost all parameters. I strongly believe it's the other way round, that independent respect is worth more than respect that was bought by accomplishments of some kind. Because only this kind of respect is fit to build a basis of trust. If someone "respect" you because you are good at something, more likely than not, it's more a wish to be in your shoes than actual respect, or anything else for that matter.