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Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/27/2015 21:11:05


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Europe and her colonies in the early years of the Thirty Years' War:

https://www.warlight.net/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=39896

Players currently signed up for testing:

Alias09
AlternateHistoryGuy
Andrés Cigüña La Araña
Angry Panda
Apicommander
Death
Elroi{IL}
Hazard
JackWolfskin00{TJC}
lampis26
LolCookiesYum
MrOobling
Nandios
Screeching Flame
shinigami
TeeMee123
Tyrion Lannister
Thomas663
Urfang
Yetkinler
Ζεύς
Жұқтыру

Update: The last test game has now begun; no more testers are needed.

Edited 3/18/2015 02:02:19
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/27/2015 21:32:59


Riveath
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Amazing idea! I like it very much especially since you are doing such a map. You're sincerely one of the best mapmakers here. Good luck in making it!
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/27/2015 21:57:27


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Thanks very much. I'm still unsure about how I should do colonies though, I imagine they'll be in separate boxes somehow. If you have any suggestions, I'd be glad to hear them.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/27/2015 22:07:34


Жұқтыру
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What will you do regarding Holy Roman Empire boni?

Also, some other things:

Iberian Union (I think it held tightly, even up until it's end).
Spanish Holdings in HRE (including Milan)
Making Malta and Gozo seperate? Why not include Camino as well :)? The three inhabited islands of Malta
The scope of this map looks rather small, it looks like you are just going up to 60 Longitude? That does not include Vyborg and does not include Helsinki. Make it at least to 65 Longitude, Helsinki and the vicinity of Petrograd will be included.
Where are you putting the colonies?

Though I may be harsh, you are a good mapmaker, just trying to optimise it. :)

Edited 1/27/2015 22:14:24
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/27/2015 22:59:21


Thomas 633
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id like to test
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/27/2015 23:13:36


OnlyThePie
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Looks great! I like the colonies idea. (Though I am sad you didn't go in for a 1914 or 1939 version of your 1812 map)
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/27/2015 23:44:53


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Жұқтыру:
For some special cases such Iberia, Austria, the HRE, and England-Scotland, I'll include other bonuses to show their existence.

I can fix Malta if you want, I'll remember to do that.

Well that map I'm using at the moment only goes up to that longitude - http://dflorig.com/fimage014.jpg - but I'll make sure to go farher north using a different map when I get to that point

It's not at the maximum document dimension limit yet, so I can expand it to make room for colonies

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Thmoas633:
I'd be glad to let you test it, but I want to at least finish France, Spain and Britain before testing begins.

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[GRID]OnlyThePie: I'm fairly confident I'll do a world war Europe map at some point. I know this sounds a bit cheesy, but when I saw that map I linked up there ^, I just had to convert it to a WarLight map, it was perfect.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/28/2015 01:39:55


Жұқтыру
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I was kidding about Camino, sorry if I didn't make that clear. Although if you think it would be better balance-wise or aestethically, go ahead. I wouldn't tell you not to, but just keep in mind: Today, only 4 people live on it today, and back then, the island was basically a prison district (Sort of a mini-Australia). I was more advocating removing Gozo, but now that I think of it, you shouldn't. Nowadays, it holds around 5% of Malta's population, and is notable enough to include.

What Austrian "cases" do you mean? I always thought Austria was generally unified, besides half of it being in the HRE.

EDIT: Actually, it's Comino, not Camino. Sorry for spelling it wrong this entire time.

One more thing: I believe Venice had one more island northeast of Crete, but it's going to be hell trying to find it. I'll try, though.

Also, I'd like to test.

Edit: Found the missing Venetian island. It's called Tinos. All the other islands in the South Aegan were taken by the Ottomans by that time, I think.

Edited 1/28/2015 01:49:41
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/28/2015 02:09:30


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Well parts of Austria were other Kingdoms that had just united with Austria through marrying royals. The most well-known examples are Bohemia and Hungary. I'll find that Venetian Island tomorrow, thanks.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/28/2015 03:13:59


Жұқтыру
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Also, I think putting Austria in the same category as HRE or even Iberian Union would be too much. It would be like putting Russia's republics entities as separate countries, and then putting the Russian Federation as an union. Or putting each one of the United States states as their own country and putting US as a cloud country.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/28/2015 09:19:26

Elroi{IL}
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Looks great, waiting for the end of the map
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/28/2015 11:25:35


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Жұқтыру, yes, perhaps I should make it just one nation.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/28/2015 14:17:28


Riveath
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If you will ever finish it I'm in for testing
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/28/2015 16:40:57


Жұқтыру
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One more thing I noticed: You're missing the Alloro di Cattaro (Kotor bay), which Veneto owned.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/28/2015 18:22:52

DavidI ☭
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It's a great map! Congratulations!
But in my opinion you should change Xàbia by Dénia since Dénia was (and is) quite more important than Xàbia
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/29/2015 00:15:53


Жұқтыру
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I think you should name the territories by the language of the country that they were held by. This would mean

Edit: Nice work correcting them fast, zxc! Sterling work.

I'll just list some more for now, correct them when you can.

More to come as the map is developed.

I assume you want, for everything in Iberia and Holy Roman Empire, to be the language of it's crown, I assume this includes Spanish holdings in the HRE? (To have their own language?)

Edited 1/29/2015 16:26:44
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/29/2015 06:34:36


Poseidó̱nas
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put me down for any testing :)
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/29/2015 07:24:38


Жұқтыру
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Me, too.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/29/2015 18:31:04


OnlyThePie
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I'll test
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/29/2015 19:21:41


[ESP] Pablo García
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Nice idea and map, although maybe you should take more care of terrirories' names... I suppose that having your home city and many other ones bad spelled lowers the rating to a map.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/29/2015 20:27:23


Nandios
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I love this ideia :) I can help testing it, if needed.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/30/2015 00:30:28


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Cities are spelt differently in different languages, but it's very easy for me to change their names, so just tell me if you want me to edit a territory name.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/30/2015 00:33:42


Жұқтыру
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You want the cities translated as well? I assumed you wanted them in English, but if you say different, I'll get to work.

Expect edits on this post.

Venetia:

Venice->Venexia

I'll get around to doing humongous Iberia later.

Edited 1/30/2015 00:37:20
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/30/2015 00:49:16


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Well, I want major cities in English, but I jut mean if there's a local town that someone wants changed, then I can change it. Don't worry about going through the whole map changing all of them - that would be a waste of time.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/30/2015 04:03:56


Жұқтыру
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Ah, I see. Well, I do not see any other mistakes that the ones you've already righted.

Edited 1/30/2015 04:04:22
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/30/2015 05:01:47


Yetkinler
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I'll test.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/30/2015 05:17:40


Жұқтыру
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Found some, more to come:

Genoa:

Aléria->Aleria

Sardegna:

Palau->Lu Palau (Note: City was founded in 1875, you may want to change it)
Sassari->Tàtari
Oristano->Aristanis
Cagliari->Casteddu
Iglesias->Igrèsias

Venetia:

Casteluovo->Castelnuovo (not sure if it is the same in Venetian as in Standard Italian, but definitely not Casteluovo)
Grado->Gravo
Feltre->Fèltre
Vicenza->Vicensa
Chioggia->Cióxa
Cologna->Cològna

Edited 1/30/2015 05:33:04
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/31/2015 10:09:23

Lionheart
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Besides, I'd ask to make your map bigger in the east.Middle east was important that time because of Persia, it was very strong in the beginning of 1600s, also some India and southern Africa would be good if you havee some place left for it.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/31/2015 12:01:21


alex23
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In Cronw of Castile, in the North, "Oviedo" is not where you put it, Oviedo is in Gijon, and it was bigger than Gijon in that time.
I would change the names in that region in these way.
Old Name -> New Name.
Gijon -> Oviedo
Oviedo -> León
León -> Ponferrada
Ponferrada -> Lugo

(It seems that the map you used for the names was moved a bit to the West xD)
I'm pretty sure these changes name the territories better, since I'm from there, so I hope you use this.

And if I were you, I would take some part of "Vigo" to "Verin", the part
below the 4, and name the territory "Ourense", which is and was a bigger town than Verín.

And some misspellings:
Zanora -> Zamora
Aviles -> Avilés

In Kingdom of Granada (East), Southest part of Castille, you misspeled Montril -> Motril.

And if you want, I can help to translate some of the names in the "Crown of Aragon" into catalan, since Spanish was almost not spoken in those territories in that time. That's up to you.

Edited 1/31/2015 12:05:11
Europe + Colonies 1618: 1/31/2015 15:18:54


Жұқтыру
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Venexia:

Castelnuovo->Tolmezzo (Better name, bigger and more important city)
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