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Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 20:31:41


Norman 
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3. why is an unlimited member walrus clan concerned about some bottom-feeding free cw win-hunting clan?

How about you stop making it your identity to be a bottom feeder at the game and instead just learn how to play? You might want to look at what the top 1v1 ladder players are doing, read my guide (http://nghood.com/pages/warzone/strategyguide) and perhaps stop only playing lottos. It is not necessarily completely simple to learn the actual game but then again also not like that hard, although this depends on the individual.
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 20:44:18


Harmony 
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@NONO

#1-2 There are no alts participating in our Clan Wars. If you can prove that same Harmony player uses 2+ accounts for Clan Wars, we will report him to mods and kick him. This is a disgraceful behavior and cannot be tolerated if we want to have a fair competition.
#3 Rules are equal to everyone and tolerance of cheating only serves to motivate more cheating in the future. If we want to prevent things from escalating further, we need to deal with cheating as soon as possible.
#4 Our Clan Wars participation is optional. Our primary objective is to provide fun for our players and not to make them feel like they're working a 2nd job. We do not advertise as Clan Wars exclusive clan. We have dozens of tournaments getting made all the time, multiple clan games and events and we also participate in Clan League. Most of our players prefer multiday format games over real time ones.


Now back to my questions:
#1 How related are Good News and FTW! clans? Do they both have the same leader?
#2 Do your clans have any alts within them? Do your players share their passwords?
#3 Why did between ~100 last games of FTW! Vs. Good News, 99% of them ended in boots/surrenders?
#4 Is either FTW! or Good News trying to boost each other's rating by playing against each other?
#5 Why have I not seen a single FTW! and Good News 2v2 game go past the picking phase?
#6 If you choose random targets to fight, you should target same clans about the same amount of times. There are dozens of weak clans, a decent amount of them play rather frequently, but you only played most of your games against 4 of them, most of games being played rather against Le Furie Azzure or KILL 'EM ALL?
#7 Do you believe that your way of approach is the intended way of play? Did Fizzer intend clans to behave this way when he first made Warzone?
#8 Do you have any connections to Really Right https://www.warzone.com/Clans/?ID=747 clan? Are there any other clans that you're related to?
#9 How did you meet players without clan in this tournament https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=54049 Are those players real people or are they alts?
#10 Is getting booted or surrendering on 1st turn an official strategy of your clan? Do you intentionally try to play against each other (FTW Vs Good News) to further increase your amount of wins?

So far NONO has answered 0 of my questions.
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Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 21:01:11


Harmony 
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@NONO



It doesn't matter how much time you spend going off topic. The facts are still facts and if mods find sufficient proof of your wrong doings, you're still getting suspended for it. It is in your best interest to explain why you and your clans are innocent, failure to do so will only give mods more reason to issue a more severe punishment for you.
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 21:03:57


(deleted) 
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nope. innocent until proven guilty.

more importantly: Harmony will never get anywhere in CW if out of 281 members only a handful participate. And most of them at skill levels below FTW clan.
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 21:05:51


(deleted) 
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also, i think you are an alt account.
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 21:16:03


Norman 
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@NONO: You not snitching on yourself shows a sufficient level of intelligence to me to become a solid player. It is up to you how you enjoy the game but I believe you have it in you, if you would give it a shot.
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 21:16:26


Tac(ky)tical 
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lol
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 21:22:17


Harmony 
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@NONO
We already are where we want to be. We're happy and that's the most important thing.

You do realize that making accusations requires proof? Being an alt is also is not against rules, what is against rules is an use of alt to gain unfair advantage in Warzone competitions.

Mods need time to make up their mind and they want to do a full investigation of their own before coming to a conclusions. There's ~50 accounts involved, so the whole process might take time. At the moment there's a mountain of evidence showcasing your guilt and you have said very little to defend yourself against it. It's probably because it's impossible to defend against some of the evidence presented in this thread and that's why you're ignoring my questions.
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 21:25:43


Tac(ky)tical 
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i think its fair 99% of ppl really couldnt care less, but nono reactions are funny. imo just let it be and make fun of it :D
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 21:45:28


Rento 
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99% people couldn't care less about your input, Tacky.
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 21:52:08


(deleted) 
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i have respect for Polish Eagles. Occasionally we play against members of your clan.

But ... if your 93 members were a bit more active you could and should easily be able to make #9 or better in cw. you would deserve it more than FDC.
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 22:30:38


Harmony 
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According to my data, during Clan Wars seasons 25-35, you played a total of 4 games against Polish Eagles:
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34363469
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34500208
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34566182
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34791818

All 4 games ended in boots on picking phase or 1st turn in SEAD. I presume that by "we" you include Good News clan, because all 4 games have been played by them and there was 0 games between FTW! and Polish Eagles.

If you had more intelligence and integrity, you could just open your clan to regular players. It's hard to reach top 10 if you're the only active players on your clan.

And also these are all the games FTW! played against Good News during last 11 seasons:
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33172842
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33245809
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33322513
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33477699
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33477702
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33479202
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33531987
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33549446
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33605033
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33615156
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33724641
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33790358
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33803980
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33883733
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33940310
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33941830
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34104700
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34106232
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34114212
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34144770
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34183096
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34198724
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34207959
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34228705
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34238606
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34238603
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34279508
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34287097
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34293171
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34300651
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34300664
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34401167
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34403543
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34411296
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34411299
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34425024
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34458666
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34478567
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34509576
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34509573
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34510554
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34557415
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34679597
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34681528
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34683041
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34700319
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34720526
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34748353
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34757511
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34757512
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34760027
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34793867
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34801743
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34819331
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34828127
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34828099
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34837705
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34846141
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34846144
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34851952
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34867282
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34953907
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34958777
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34964437
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34973708
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35015782
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35064221
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35064216
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35070973
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35092437
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35127132
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35167573
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35179951
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35189091
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35189087
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35227347
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35239147
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35254271
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35261527
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35263214
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35263208

I wonder which one of these 2 clans is the Walrus and which one is the fish. You only played one game instead of surrendering or getting booted as soon as possible. Against Myth Busters you played 8 times more games. I guess this makes both FTW! and Good News two special clans. If you keep up the good work you might one day reach #1 on the leaderboards!
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 22:37:19


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my goodness! if you and your clanmates would spend half the time you invested in this sort of "detective research" playing cw games you would probably be #1 by now.

btw: we also play qm games, not only cw. you should be able to find the data using your ToS breaking data sources (fivesmith database?)
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 22:38:36


Tac(ky)tical 
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Ah but I know you’re the 1% that loves me, Rento <3
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 22:40:13


(deleted) 
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btw Eternity, how come you are hiding your country flag and your winrates?
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 22:41:45


stefano36000 
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Just a technicality, if one is the walrus the other one has to be the oyster. Otherwise the metaphor goes out the window. And good luck finding a window large enough for a walrus.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43914/the-walrus-and-the-carpenter-56d222cbc80a9

On a related note I believe the walrus/oyster terminology was actually coined by NONO, and though some things in FTW might be sketchy, I am grateful for this at least.
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 22:55:29


Harmony 
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Your Clan Wars games are publicly available on Clan Wars page.
You go to there, then you go to list of all seasons, then check the season of your choice and click the "G" next to the desired clan. You'll get all the games this way. Going through your games didn't take that long, it was only ~1000 real games and ~1000 Free Wins. It takes about a minute to log a game and it's easy to log them all fast when you got multiple people helping you.

I hide my winrate, because I don't care how high or low it is. I prefer to be judged by the merit of my current play and not by my average winrate of 1+ year of playing.

You'll have to figure out on your own how to hide your flag. I got no interest in helping likely frauds and cheats to hide their identities. I do not want to make it easier for you to evade suspensions on your future accounts.
Evidence of FTW and GN Using Alts and Rigging CW: 8/14/2023 22:57:24


LND 
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Okay this seems like way too much effort put into what clearly doesn't matter that much.
But, because you seem willing to put in the effort, did you guys include any control clans? I.e. do the same analysis, but for a few other clans that get similar CW results to FTW and GN, but aren't suspected of being alts?
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