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Alternative History: 1/14/2015 12:34:55


OnlyThePie
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So I was bored, and started thinking about Alternate Histories. Basically, pick a changed event, and then describe what the world would be like in a year of your choice. I'll try to keep a running list on the main post:

Event: The Nazis Invade Turkey instead of Russia in '41, and defeat Russia in '43; Year: 1961////The Third Reich bears down over all of Europe and Africa. With the launch of Operation Spearhead in 1951, Canada and Alaska are also Under the threat of Germany. The Japanese and Italian leaders were "replaced" by Nazi puppets, and then officially integrated into The Reich. Argentina allied with the Nazis, and conquered South America, only to be annexed by the Nazis as well. The United States has been losing land since 1958, when Operation Stahlwand entered Northern America. Sub Saharan Africa is the only non-invaded region of the world, but their doom comes soon. There are no Jews left in Europe, and few in Asia. Labor camps are massive and hyper-industralized. Luckily, no side has yet to discover the Atomic Bomb.
Alternative History: 1/14/2015 14:39:42


[TWI] limalia_786
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very interesting.
did you know Germany asked Mexico to fight USA and is one of the reasons USA joined the war

a world like it is today or a world where there are concentration camps everywhere, the soon extermination of all jews and a Nazi Earth, however Atomic bombs don't exist.

Do you think in this alternate history there wouldn't be the Palestine war, ISIS, Ukraine conflict ect or will they just be replaced by civil wars and revolts
Alternative History: 1/14/2015 14:50:06


OnlyThePie
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That was the First World War, not the second. There probably would not be Wars over the holy land (No jews to fight over it) The ISIS issue would not be a problem (Nazi control). Ukraine wouldn't be an issue (Nazis control it). There wouldn't be any civil wars, the Nazi's would be unstoppable
Alternative History: 1/14/2015 18:28:46


Жұқтыру
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It would fall down in a couple of centuries, just like the Roman Empire.
Alternative History: 1/14/2015 20:56:43


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extermination of all jews and a Nazi Earth, however Atomic bombs don't exist.

The germans would have gotten the bomb with more time.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/nazis-and-the-bomb.html
Alternative History: 1/14/2015 21:21:00


Жұқтыру
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I think Pie means that they didn't need atomic bombs and never got around to building that.
Alternative History: 1/14/2015 21:41:33

Xedrox
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It would have been easier for the Germans to simply convince Turkey to fight with them against the Russians, who they'd also fought against in WWII. It also would have allowed Germany to threaten British troops in the Middle East and send German forces through Turkey into the Caucuses. They would have been able to get more oil from the Middle East, possibly defeat the British completely in the Middle East, and take the Russian Caucasian oil fields. This would have saved Germany an enormous amount of resources. After defeating or severely weakening British forces in the Middle East, Germany could have put even more resources into Operation Barbarossa. They could have taken Moscow instead of taking the oil fields, since they would already be taking them, and would have been able to cut off many of Russia's retreating forces in the south, and possibly have taken Stalingrad faster, instead of the enormous defeat it became and possibly the turning point in the war. It would have probably been a long and bloody war, but would have most likely ended in a German victory.

I think Italy becoming a German puppet state was more likely than Japan. Given the distance and the obvious ethnic/cultural/etc divides between them.
Alternative History: 1/14/2015 21:45:36


Жұқтыру
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Of course it would be easier, but theoretics.
Alternative History: 1/14/2015 22:03:45


Thomas 633
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What happens to australia? I assume we get killed by japan in about 1945/46, but...

EDIT: I am sorry, next week I will select a more socially acceptable thread.

Edited 1/14/2015 22:04:17
Alternative History: 1/14/2015 22:41:30


OnlyThePie
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@Xedrox: That's the idea of Invading Turkey, but you have to remember Hitler wasn't a Military Genius, so lets just say he invades Turkey, and then goes 2-prong on Russia. With Japan, they aren't necessarily easily quelled, but at this point the Nazis would clearly crush them in a war.
@Dr. Stupid: Жұқтыру is correct
@Thomas: The Held off the Japanese, but eventually, they're defeated, lets say 1947
Alternative History: 1/14/2015 23:25:11


Dr. Stupid 
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Yes, sorry. That was a reading comprehension fail on my part.
Alternative History: 1/14/2015 23:27:06


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The Japanese would have the advantage of complete Naval control of the Russian Far East, also without arms from the soviet union China would have fallen apart and fallen to the Japanese earlier. Thus crushing the Western Front and letting Japan focus all their forces on the East and eventually Australia.
Alternative History: 1/15/2015 02:35:08


Жұқтыру
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So is the world controlled by Japan and Germany now?
Alternative History: 1/15/2015 02:54:23


The Mad Japanese
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If the World was controlled by Germany and Japan then Technology would have advanced much faster than it has before also there is a possibility that Germany and Japan would enter a Cold War similar to that of the United States and Russia. Also many Ethnics would be persecuted
Alternative History: 1/15/2015 03:41:17


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German administration would eventually collapse due to the fragile system. Revolts would become revolutions and the world would become factionalized again.
Alternative History: 1/15/2015 03:44:01


Жұқтыру
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It wasn't a fragile system, but when you rule that many people of that many religions and ethnicities and land, you're bound to die.
Alternative History: 1/15/2015 04:38:12

Xedrox
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Well, the fact that the German plan called for forcibly sterilizing or cleansing anyone that wasn't part of the "Master Aryan Race". This basically consisted of Germans, the Swiss, the Swedish, some Eastern Europeans, some of the Berbers, and the Indo-Aryan and Indo-Iranian populations of British India and Iran, and some others that hadn't yet been determined. So revolts probably wouldn't be as common as you'd think, especially if YOU'RE classified as part of the "Master Aryan Race".

Edited 1/15/2015 04:39:46
Alternative History: 1/15/2015 05:12:42


Жұқтыру
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There would be MASSIVE guerilla warfare, considering that there's ethnic destruction going on. See how annoying Yugoslavia, Albania and Belarus were to the Axis. Multiply that times 10.
Alternative History: 1/15/2015 05:28:28


Thomas 633
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Note how anglo people aren't in that list... Controlling britain, ireland, india, USA, canada, australia, south africa (and so on) would be an absolute nightmare.
Alternative History: 1/15/2015 06:09:31


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I genuinely believe that with Hitler in power the Reich would never get far. His delusions and temperament cost Germany a possible victory in the war and would have continued to do so beyond 1945, if the Reich had survived.

On another note, yes, there would be massive difficulty bringing conquered peoples into the fold. Its not like Warlight- places you take have people living that often end up hating you , especially when you show up already hating them by default. The Nazi war machine would have to devote more resources maintaining itself then expanding. It would then fall prey to its "allies", or to the long-term problem of having to contend with American-supplied rebels across entire continents. Also, eventually I believe the propaganda would fail, and the German people would either be disillusioned with their leadership or be so outnumbered by international conscripts that the face of the Reich would change completely, thus causing the nation to implode much as the USSR did in 1990.

Edited 1/15/2015 06:10:13
Alternative History: 1/15/2015 06:26:09

Xedrox
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A good point was brought up. In the end, Hitler did more to hurt the 3rd Reich than anyone. His constant interference and micromanagement in everything caused many of the Nazi's problems. If it had been another German leader, it could have been possible for them to conquer Europe and the Middle East and then consolidate there positions and their gains. If they'd stayed with the plans that were set in motion. Perhaps in 2-3 decades most of their conquered countries would consist of Germans or other Aryans, with relatively little to no non-Aryans left. The enforced education of the youth would practically guarantee that the new generation would absolutely believe everything they'd been taught.

Edited 1/15/2015 18:55:51
Alternative History: 1/15/2015 07:49:25


Thomas 633
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Hitler had Parkinsons...
Alternative History: 1/15/2015 20:37:37

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Hitler believed the Aryans that you describe in India and Iran had interbred with monkey spawn. He would've sterilized them too.
Alternative History: 1/15/2015 21:07:16

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Alternative History: 1/15/2015 22:19:01


OnlyThePie
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I think I was unclear. Japan is forced into a puppet state of the Reich, and eventually just flat out incorporated. The Guerrilla warfare would be an issue with the Nazis for sure, but at this point, if they're strong enough to take over the world, they might just have a chance at keeping that control.

Also: PLEASE, you guys can make up your own Alternate History, don't just comment on mine. Maybe Jesus is never born, or Rome reforms successfully and lives on another 500 years. It's up to you!
Alternative History: 1/16/2015 03:17:00


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Well, the Nazi government would eventually descend into a government like that of Prussia. Also, Berlin would be a Utopian multi-racial city, and Moscow would be a lake (no im not joking, hitler planned to do that). But heres where it ends: when the Nazis try eradicating Christianity and Islam. Hitler stated that all religons would be wiped out once the Nazis ruled the world. A massive civil war would engulf, turning the entire world into a Iraq-like area. Once the atomic bomb is discovered, the destruction of at least a billion people is almost inevitable. But finnaly, once the Nazis are gone, the nuclear wastelands in Europe and North america will cause Brazil (or Neo-Brasil) to become a superpower.

Meanwhile, the Americans watch as they eat popcorn and masturbate on the moon...
Alternative History: 1/16/2015 21:06:41


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@skourby: You had me going until you reached the bit about a Massive Civil war. What I think people don't understand is that eventually Hitler dies, and somebody Competent takes over. Thats what it gets serious. You try to fight back against the Nazis, you die. There is no "Brazil" there's German South America. There are no Americans on the moon, they barely made it into the ocean (where they would subsequently be blown up by U-Boats)
Alternative History: 1/16/2015 22:34:56


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You are mistaken, the Nazis could never have defeated the British Empire or the United States.
Alternative History: 1/16/2015 22:41:43


skourby
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Only the pie, the american part was added for humor, and notice how i said NEOBRAZIL, not Brazil. And there are like 3 billion christians and muslims on earth, so they would wipe out the nazis. But you are probably just a troll, so go away
Alternative History: 1/17/2015 14:04:13


OnlyThePie
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@California: The idea is that they do lose, it's Alternate history
@Skourby: You can't just assume "Neobrazil" is an actual power. How could you know that it wasn't torn up by the Nazis and left in the dust as a weak puppet-state. The Nazis would not be stupid enough to take on all religions at once. They effectively destroyed Judaism, i think they can handle 2 other major religions one at a time, especially with world domination. I am not a troll, I was trying to have a legitimate discussion with you, but you decided to insult me for disagreeing with your ideas. I will not "go away" as this is my idea, and my thread. If you don't like my thinking, YOU can leave.
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