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The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/22/2023 00:09:56


FiveSmith 
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The CW seasons are getting too long!

With ~5 days till the end of the CW season, I guess we should bring up the issue of the increasing season lengths.

Since the CW Season 22 the CW map size has been constantly increasing every season. From a cute map of 233 territories, we now have to deal with 300+ territories giants.



Up until season 30, the increase in map size was compensated with increased activity and the season length was in the range of 2-2.5 weeks. But recently the balance is off, and now we are facing a 4 weeks season.



My opinion, is that there is no point in CW seasons to be longer than 2 weeks. In one of the AMAs Fizzer said that he was satisfied with current season length, which was ~2.5 weeks at the time of AMA.

The 4-week-long CW seasons are already not fun, and we definitely do not want the return of the "dark" times, when seasons lasted for 2 months. (https://bit.ly/wz-cw-activity)

To bring back the balance, the map selection for the next CW season should be adjusted, so that season length would return to 2-2.5 weeks.

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The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/22/2023 00:14:33

sarahxxoxx
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One advantage to longer seasons is it gives a clan a better chance of reaching more territory rewards. I realize that is not a problem for the very top clans (such as Prime), but it is helpful for those clans farther down the list.
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/22/2023 00:33:01


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One advantage to longer seasons is it gives a clan a better chance of reaching more territory rewards. I realize that is not a problem for the very top clans (such as Prime), but it is helpful for those clans farther down the list.

I would throw 2 points:

1. It is better to have a constant CW buff from lower territories, than to have better CW buffs with significant downtime. From the top of my head, the downtime would be significant, as the good CW rewards are only at certain breakpoints. Details may vary though.
For example, I would personally prefer to have AV, MD and reduced CD buffs 100% of the time, than having those + ACB buffs but only ~30% of the time. The 30% of the time is estimated as getting 10 territories is 3.5x harder than getting 4 territories.

2. Half of all CW people are concentrated in top-10 clans. And they are the people who actually play the vast majority of CW games. (https://bit.ly/wz-cw-player-dynamics) I guess, we should aim to improve CW experience for them rather than to "clans farther down the list."

Also this is a recap from season 30, when we had good season length of 2.5 weeks:
All the 1,2,4 territories rewards are obtainable by even small clans (in total 440+ players got those rewards in the Season 30, which makes 64% of totals)


Edited 7/22/2023 00:35:27
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/23/2023 18:21:58


Doctor K 
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Already this season has 22.5 days.
Top 22 clans already have the 1, 2, & 4 territory bonuses.
The race is over, except down in 17th place, where there is some nose picking to determine the winner

Edited 7/23/2023 18:22:38
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 17:39:10


FiveSmith 
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With 2.5 hours till the reveal of the new season's map, I question you:

How many territories will the CW map of the CW season 35 have?

Closest guess will get 2 Warzone coins!
UPD: 5 coins!

Only answers in this topic count!
Answers posted after or edited after the new seasons map reveal don't count)

Edited 7/26/2023 19:11:25
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 17:41:16

otto 
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The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 17:44:19


DanWL 
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330
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 17:46:59

Umi
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I will bid 310 territories for season 35.

I also think part of the reason for the longer seasons is twofold:
1) to nerf the cooldown for the artifacts (since that is the best of the first four rewards available by far), and
2) to get more people to join the ladders, since idle rewards are also available there.
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 17:51:49

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In regards of the OP, I can support fizzer's argument that a reward is only perceived as being a reward if it is not normal.

So a 2 week season might weaken the value of the rewards in the sense that they are becoming normality (for some clans at least).

A 3 week season seems to be some kind of a good balance, where you are not able to have the rewards active the whole time, but still have a significant boost.

If, however, the seasons are becoming longer and longer and might even approach the 4 weeks length, then it also starts to reduce the value of the rewards again - their significance is getting lower and lower until the effort is not worth the comparably small boost anymore.

I strongly hope that we maintain the goal of 3 week seasons!
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 17:59:57

sarahxxoxx
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The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 18:02:07

L.L.
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I'll bid on 317
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 18:11:10


FiveSmith 
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I have just won a raffle, thus I up the prize from 2 to 5 coins!
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 18:14:02


0zark Girl
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I bid 309
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 18:44:10


TR-8R 
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286
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 19:18:44

zzyalpoda
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I submit a bid of 335 territories for clans to conquer, meaning that Red Rum cannot afford to let 332 territories fall into the hands of other clans.
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 19:21:55


Gunk 
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273 terr i tor eee's
pleeese
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 19:59:20

vena
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I think 300 territories
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 20:01:24


krinid 
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345 territories for next season's map

The argument of season length in regards to reward duration is interesting. Obviously top clans want shorter seasons, more frequent refresh of rewards, 0 downtime if at all possible. Weaker clans want longer seasons to be able to even get the rewards at all, for them it's already 100% downtime b/c the seasons aren't long enough to get those rewards.

But as ladders now have at least some of the same rewards, go get your no-downtime rewards via that method instead.

Seasons should imho be shorter, but also give clans giving CW an honest attempt the ability to earn the good rewards. There shouldn't be territory rewards that only the top 3-4 clans can achieve.Theyre Leeady compensated for their efforts with the placement rewards.

Heck, maybe 2 week duration rewards are too long? Dont think the intent was ever to give a small subset of players infinite streams of buffs, 0 downtime. Make them 1 week like Ladders but make them stack so each isn't replacing each other but adding duration to each other. And make the expiry date/time visible to players.


Make the territory rewards more achievable for other clans. Keep seasons to 2-2.5 weeks.

In fact, why even have territories? The map doesn't really matter, it comes down to # of wins anyhow, why not just make each season a fixed period of time and make it most wins at season end?

Edited 7/26/2023 20:04:08
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 20:09:41


FiveSmith 
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In fact, why even have territories? The map doesn't really matter, it comes down to # of wins anyhow, why not just make each season a fixed period of time and make it most wins at season end?

The official "answer" from the wiki:

While the exact territories and bonuses don’t have any strategic meaning, it’s advantageous to have a map instead of a simple list because it helps visualize how well clans are doing compared to others by seeing how big their circle is. It also makes it easier to visualize how much time is left in the season simply by how filled the map is.

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Another advantage is that each season can be played on a different Warzone map. Sometimes you’re conquering the world, sometimes Europe, etc. In addition to your clan starting from a different part of the map each time, this helps make each season feel unique.
The CW seasons are getting too long!: 7/26/2023 21:36:50


FleXUS 
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I see you sent noone to play in the last slot today.
Seems like YOU WANT longer seasons.

If you dont do anything to end it I think you cant complain! : )
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