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On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 00:25:22


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Eliteness is defined by rarity, yes? Therefore, a clan with less members is more 'elite' than its counterparts.





I look back and compare our clan to other clans I just think that its sad how some clans only have 20 members compared to our elite 140 members (and possibly more as of now)




Congrats to the Paper Tigers for being the most elite clan on Warlight. And congrats to the Wolves, for being noobs
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 00:27:06


Bane 
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lol then my clan is pretty elite
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 01:01:57


Little Blue
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Elite is defined more by superiority of power, ability, intelligence... than by rarity. Rarity is just a side-effect of the bell curve we all fall on.

Just being few in numbers doesn't make you elite.

That being said, the middle-school level of drama some people create is pretty funny to watch.
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 02:41:19


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Elite is a term based on perspective. I.E. A Panzer IV tank was pretty elite in the day, but a M-26 Pershing or Churchill Tank put it to shame. Nowadays, those are all pretty pathetic compared to a Leopard ( I got that Deutsch cred ) or T-90.
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 03:30:15


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Just because a majority of opinions claim someone is better than much of society doesn't make it true. A lot of people thought Hitler was going to change Germany for the better. He did. He just made everybody else a lot worse off. People often think FDR was a good POTUS. Those people often don't look at the facts of his administration. People like to think celebrities are awesome. Most of them are pretty dumb and most of them are pretty ugly people.

For that matter, a majority of people think Wolves clan is dumb. It isn't. Semicedevine is just dumb. Though I won't argue that they recruit a LOT of noobs. You see? Everything is very relative and opinionated when it comes to how good a group or person is.
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 04:03:50


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You're all trying to redefine eliteness, but in the end Calculator is right.

It's supply and demand. Let's say we are all trading clan tags. There are 0 tags being traded for the Paper Tigers. Thus, supply is 0. But everyone would want to be that one person in control of a clan -- therefore, demand is high.

On the other hand, there are 190+ Wolf tags being traded. Supply is high. But demand is theoretically low, as Wolves have been pushing down the value of their tags, for some unfathomable reason.

Thus, in rarity and value a Paper Tiger tag would be extremely highly valued while I would buy twenty Wolf tags for one Illuminati.


Edit: If that.

Edited 12/12/2014 04:07:59
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 04:15:01


Little Blue
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Now you're redefining elite. It has nothing to do with price or value.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elite
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/american-english/elite

It's true that a clan with few members that's hard to get into could be elite, but it could also be the complete opposite. For instance, a clan that only consists of the 5 players with the worst win rates.

If you want to define which clans are elite or not, competition is the only way to do it. The top winners are elite, the bottom losers are trash, and everybody else is just varying degrees of ordinary.
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 04:34:46


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Now you're redefining elite. It has nothing to do with price or value.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elite
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/american-english/elite

It's true that a clan with few members that's hard to get into could be elite, but it could also be the complete opposite. For instance, a clan that only consists of the 5 players with the worst win rates.

If you want to define which clans are elite or not, competition is the only way to do it. The top winners are elite, the bottom losers are trash, and everybody else is just varying degrees of ordinary.


The Paper Tigers have never lost a fight.

Compare that to the Wolves. . . I'm too lazy to average their 1v1 scores together, but something tells me it wouldn't be particularly amazing.
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 11:23:01


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<-

Edited 12/12/2014 11:23:12
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 13:02:07

Jehovah 
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The definition of Elite isn't necessarily to be in rarity. Simply put, If you are part of a group that possess better-than-average skills compared to the average participant , then you are elite. So if you are amoung the top 49%, you are elite, by definition.

Assuming the recorded statistics take the shape of a normal distribution curve, value of standard deviation does not matter, since the number of above average people would be proportionally equal to the number of below average people regardless of standard deviation, so as long as you are in the top 49% of the group, even if there are a billion participants, you are elite. In this case, since there are 490 million people, its not exactly rarity.

I could be wrong, but there's my take.
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 13:17:15


Little Blue
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Elite is more than simply above average. It's the top 1-2%.

On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 13:39:52

Jehovah 
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Nope. I'd quote the dictionary here.

elite |eɪˈliːt, ɪ-|
noun
1 [ treated as sing. or pl. ]
a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society: the elite of Britain's armed forces | [ as modifier ] : an elite athlete | an elite commando unit | elite colleges and universities.


Superior just means higher in status/rank. Doesn't have to be +2 or +3 standard deviation as you say, just above the mean makes you 'superior', since you are already higher in rank than the majority of particpants.

Edited 12/12/2014 13:47:12
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 15:30:24


Little Blue
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elite |eɪˈliːt, ɪ-|
noun
1 [ treated as sing. or pl. ]
a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society: the elite of Britain's armed forces | [ as modifier ] : an elite athlete | an elite commando unit | elite colleges and universities.


Yes, go by the definition, key words in bold. Select, as in select few.

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/select

Select Synonyms

Exclusive, Selective, Best, Cream, Limited, Prime, Screened, Top


It's not, nor has it ever been, a group that is better than 51% of a group. It's a very small subset that is superior to the vast majority.
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 15:33:15


Little Blue
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ITT, people argue over basic English.
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 17:46:35

fire.fighter
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i'm here
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 19:30:53

soaring ostrich
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hip hip!
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/12/2014 19:53:42


Gundisalvus 
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I'm always amazed by Calculator's ability to cause arguments. . .
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/13/2014 22:30:48


King C******* V 
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Lol that one graph reminds me of a
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/14/2014 17:34:14

qwed117
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but yet you want to...

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On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/14/2014 19:16:58


Turnips_are_tasty
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So, by default, my clan is more Elite than Calculators. His rank of 30 is below mine, such that clan must be more elite, as my clan has fewer low ratings. Even if the average of his clan is higher, mine is still more Elite as every player in my clan has be better overall rating.

My clan is just me. I don't need friends to cheat with..............
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/14/2014 22:56:22


Lawlz
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My clan is just me. I don't need friends to cheat with..............


A: It's impossible to cheat in warlight
B: Rarely does a clan "cheat" other than Diplo clans and the dudes
On the subject of 'Eliteness': 12/15/2014 02:06:43


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