@krinid

you can't avoid digging.
there are more than 2-3 useful artifacts that can ease you the playthrough. so even if those artifacts are lost during the Soup-descension they will still serve you on the way.

@Dj Storm

A common is 2 hours 52 min 48 sec for me. 50% time reduction from advancement, 10% from mollification, 20% from legendary time warp. So, 1 epic is 360 hours. I guess that this applies to most late phase 4 players who're in the position of considering super-ascending.

Currently I have a net worth of 4 legendary 1 epic 4 rare. I'm waiting for the free epic at 25600 battle points and around 1 more month of digging to carry over an insane. It won't take a year of waiting.

I am in the same situation Math. Figure I’ll wait til late Jan to have an Insane. Also nice since holidays coming up, I won’t be glued to Idle during family time.

@Parsifal
Hmmmm, yes I suppose you're right. Will need to get SAC, Merc Discount, etc, back again.

@Math, Z
I believe the math previously stated was for no buff digging, ie: directly after SAsc, not pre-SAsc. And that's kind of my point, if your focus is digging still, better to not SAsc and keep on digging. B/c once you SAsc, the digging slows down greatly for a long time.

@krinid

I was replying to Dj Storm. Dj Storm was talking about how much waiting is needed before the first super-ascension if we want to carry over an insane artifact. So, late phase 4 digging speed should be used.

You were talking about digging after super-ascending and future super-ascensions, which is a separate topic that I replied/am replying separately.

Got it, and agree with you Math ... late phase 4 digging is where it's at.

And obviously WZIBs too ... lol ... b/c I see you, MWL & Master Jz in there all the time now.

I wonder what artifacts & levels all 4 of us are using in battles now. I've got:

Rare Army Camp Boost
Leg TW
Epic SAC
Leg TS

If I happen to be on a cycle where Leg TS hasn't been activated and I can swap it out, I might swap in a Common BMB, lol.

Preparing for a potential someday SAsc has wrecked my once great collection of artifacts. (;

In battles I'm now using

Leg Time Warp
Leg Bonus Money Boost
Epic Supercharge Army Camp
Epic Alloy Value

Same as Math, I have to decide:

Wait 1-1.5 months to finish Insane (and make a second, probably Epic)

Or

Go now with my 4 Legendaries and sacrifice either 1 or 2 of them (if I get 25% AP)

Currently, sans CW boost, it takes roughly 75 days to get a Legendary. Post SAsc, this would take me 5.5 months to get a Legendary if I kept Leg TW since digging speed would be reset.

So I either wait 1.5 month max to SAsc after completing an Insane, or do a SAsc now and abandon 1-2 Legendaries that will take 5.5 months each to get back.

As much as I would love to SAsc now, waiting seems to be the smarter option.

Leg Time Warp
Leg Alloy Values
Epic Army Camp Boost
Epic Supercharge Army Camp

I'm only doing battles and digs right now, so I don't typically switch artifacts around. I'll definitely be happy when I can finally be done with battles for a while.

Probably safe to say I'm not going to try for this 25k battle point epic again. That would make a 3rd free epic that you could get every time you Super Ascend, but I'm not sure it will be worth the effort.

2 of you using Alloy Values in battles ... is this is combo with Auto-Markets and Auto-Sell? Not clear on how AV helps WZIB.

@MWL
It's absolutely not worth the effort to get 25%
... yet here we are, but likely only because we're all trying to minimize the loss of all the stuff we've collected over the past year or so. Knowing the rules of SAsc, we can avoid this scenario post SSsc.

Here's what I have:

Legendary Army Camp Boost
Legendary Alloy Values
Legendary Time Warp
Epic Supercharge Army Camp

Every advancement is maxed except for auto-mortar and idle time.

Et tu Master Jz? Why are you guys using AV for WZIB?

Alloy Value helps gathering money in Copper Creek Castle and Siege of Feldmere.

Are you actually doing manual Market actions? Or Auto-Sell/Auto-Market?

Half-half.

I've maxed auto-sell and auto-market. However, auto-market stops working when the buying price is above the non-buffed selling price (without advancement, artifact etc). So, I need to manually do some buying.

3rd artifact
Leg Time Warp
Leg Triple Strike
Epic Supercharge Army Camp

16 days
Advancements
Phase 1
Increased Army Camp Production 100%
Increased Cache Money 100%
Joint Strike 25%
Additional Mercenaries 150%
Increased Idle Time 120

Phase 2
Army Camp Discounts 30%
Mercenary Discount 50%
Increased Alloy Sell Values 100%
Increased AP 23%

@here Interesting and seems pretty fast.

Have you used any powers (other than those you get daily and from the coin wheel) and have you skipped or replayed any particular levels?

I assume your progress got much faster once you got the alloy sell value advancement?

150% Additional Mercenaries in 16 days? WHAT? How?

^
Same question as Math. That immediately stuck out to me as well. That's 16,630 AP on its own. Then 23% +AP right after that, another 6618 AP.

So ...

16,630 AM 150%
480 IACP 100%
887 +Cache Money 100%
459 JS 25%
382 Idle time 120 mins
1374 Army camp disc 30%
1756 Alloy values 100%
6618 IAP 23%
28,586 TOTAL

28.5K AP in 16 days?

You keep your clan after superascending. Good to know.