At +1200% AP, an incremental +25% AP is worth an incremental 653AP before you get to Phase 4 and an incremental 2576AP over the course of a full super ascension. This is *much* more than the +100AP gives you.

I do appreciate that you get the first couple advancements faster but it’s almost impossible to justify +100 AP. The breakeven is just astoundingly far into the future even for Ivan0.

@drillerk, can definitely do a SAsc in less than a day, maybe even a couple if dedicated, but you have to play a lot

I prefer to be lazy and let my actives do the work

@TheGreatLeon, The +100 AP is only useful en masse. After ~50 +25% AP buffs, you get to a point where you don't need AP from finishing levels, you have plenty, so it's more a matter of getting more buffs that will help you clear the levels which get you the AP you need to SASc again. This is arti slots & +100 AP, but as you've pointed out, +100 AP on its own is useless, you need thousands to have any efficacy. Imho, you need at least ~1500 starting AP so you can at least have some level of additional mercs, JS, money cache, alloy sell values, merc discount & AQ, then bring on any level and I'm good. But I've leveled it up to ~11K (I forget exactly, it only shows at start after SAsc'ing again) when gets me maxed out Money Cache, Merc Discount, Alloy Values, JS, 5% AQ, 100% Add Mercs, and this makes getting started quite easy

But more notably ... you also get to a point where you don't need +25% AP buffs, extra arti slots nor extra digging speed, so either you invest in +100 AP, just stop SAsc'ing or you quit Idle, those are really the only options

proud to announce i am at 0

cause idle does balls

@TGL. But do those extra 2.6k save another level that you need to play? If not you're not saving anything. Start AP atleast saves time early on, ones you get alot of it.

72nd super +1200%ap, 24 slots, 1 dig speed, 100 start ap

1st sasc: +25% AP, LEGO AV & SAC

73rd super +1200%ap, 25 slots, 1 dig speed, 100 start ap

for dig speed is it +20% or x20%
because if its +20% then after 5 upgrades it would make dig time zero

Each is .80 times, so 5 rewards = .8^5=.32768, an 8 hour dig would take 2.62 hr.

ok thank you it was confusing

74th super +1200%ap, 25 slots, 1 dig speed, 200 start ap

Double TW strats soon? I see the upgrading e TW.

I suppose then krijid that the only thing left to do is to try and super ascend as early a level as possible by collecting +100s and super ascending after completing small earth or automatically.... you could crash the server!? surely the ultimate goal?!

75th super +1225%ap, 25 slots, 1 dig speed, 200 start ap

Ivan's got a serious pace going!

Any tips to speed up the 1st one yet. Got Europe down to less than 10 day but still need 70000 ap

Currently have legend av, sac, ts and acb +105%mercs max alloy value etc.

Any tips to speed up the 1st one yet

Use your powers. The time you get the best use of them is when you're weakest, so pre-1st SAsc, just after low #'d SAsc's when you have low artifacts, etc

Once you get 20-30 SAsc's, you're likely strong enough that the powers don't give you as much benefit

10d EH seems very slow for a Phase 4 Player, you should be able to do it in 1-4h for the normal one and 4h-1d for the hard version. What's your strategy to beat it? Also you should definetly max out add mercs. Get Better Hospitals and IACS from P4 maxed out after that.

Edited 8/5/2023 14:55:37