I don’t have Statistics, but it appears that it is gone.

Wow, no reset of powers and no level rewards (hardened bonuses only?). That (especially the latter) seems quite contradictory to the announcement:

Your level rewards are reset so you can earn them again

Frankly, this is not very appealing w/r to the question whether to super ascend or not.

Edited 11/26/2021 08:23:48

I believe it means you have to unlock the ore bonuses and hardened level bonuses again.

fizzer is just trolling you guys at this point lmao

@krinid: My main concern with super-ascending is the artifacts, too. You can only "upgrade" the number of artifacts by super-ascending but then the artifacts are already gone. If this was more like any regular advancement where I could push this number before super-ascending, such that you wouldn't lose everything on my first super ascension, it would be more appealing. This way you have to super ascend at least twice while choosing "keep additional artifact" in order to have at least the four good ones you used to have in your 3+1 slots. (And I personally spent months (I think around 9) to collect one copy of each type to be more flexible in my playing style) And assuming you can "produce" a new legendary artifact each super-ascension, and wanted to turn them into insanes over time (with the goal of having four insane ones), you would have to push your "keep artifact" number to 7 (4 legendaries that you would sacrifice the next time and 3 already insanes) and this would take you 20 super-ascensions. And you can't just rush a super-ascension in order to unlock keeping another artifact, because it just isn't possible to really speed this process up.

Phoenix I disagree with you on the number of artifact slots you need and how long the future super ascensions will take. It looks like you will be able to acquire and keep up to three artifacts during the first super ascension. Starting with the free legendary triple strike I'm on pace to have about two other legendaries by the time I would super ascend. The power of those legendary artifacts will greatly reduce the time it takes to get the ball rolling again on the second play through. Theoretically, by the time you get to the second super ascension you will probably have had enough artifacts to create a fourth legendary which you would also keep. This would once again greatly accelerate progress. After that you would be capable of creating an insane artifact thus limiting the need for more artifact slots for the next couple super ascensions freeing up the choice to increased AP or digging time.

@Olja

Wow, no reset of powers and no level rewards (hardened bonuses only?). That (especially the latter) seems quite contradictory to the announcement:

Your level rewards are reset so you can earn them again

Frankly, this is not very appealing w/r to the question whether to super ascend or not.

It really should be reworded to: "Your level rewards will be lost, but you are able to earn them again." The way it's worded implies that you can stack them up to build up production levels over a few Super Ascensions to somewhat compensate losing all AP/Adv/most Artifacts.

@Phoenix
Agree, it's just too high a cost. I've done the same, keeping 1 of each artifact type, aiming to get as many as possible to Rare or higher, and a few to Leg, a handful to Epic, and maybe someday an Insane. But SAsc changes everything, forces far too much waste among artifacts. I'd be okay with it if everything beyond the 2 artifacts you choose to carry forward became invalid "fodder only" artifacts, so they can never be equipped and can only be used to upgrade other valid artifacts newly dug up after SAsc'ing. But unfortunately as it is now, it's too big a fork in the road, you're forced to either give up a massive amount of value in artifacts, or prolong the SAsc by months in order to upgrade some artifacts to minimize the loss. Poor design imho.

On another point, 'Super Ascend' is kind of a silly term. Why does everything these days have to be Super/Mega/Ultra/Plus/Extra - just find a different term. Or call it "Level Up". Would have been a good opportunity to introduce a new type of player level into WZI and make it a visible stat on player profiles. Or if we don't want 2 types of Levels, call it Tiers or something else.

I just finished Hardened Copper Creek for the first time. I started it before the update and didn't know the update was happening. Then I got an epic instead of a legendary. Pretty disappointing.

P.S. It would have been my first legendary artifact. I was super excited for it.

If you are really disappointed, quickly download one of the apps and finish the level again. The update hasnt rolled out yet on mobile, so it might still give a legend upon completing. But it probably wont because it already flagged your account as having received the "The Legend" reward.

Speaking of that reward, I hope that reward got renamed in the new update, cause its clearly not legendary anymore....

I am playing on mobile and I only got an epic, not a legendary artifact. So maybe the game is updated on some mobiles?
The description still says the reward is "The Legend."

Do you see the new Levels after EH? That would mean you have updated. Otherwise you haven't

How the hell did the update get out on mobile so fast? It usually takes weeks for me to get updated....

I haven't updated yet either. I am playing hard CCC right now hopping to get it in time

Edited 11/26/2021 14:56:32

App updated aswell. No Leg Triple Strike for me. :(

Edited 11/26/2021 15:33:44

Should I abort? Started Hard CCC about 12h ago and my Advancments aren't good enough to be considered Late Phase 2

Edited 11/26/2021 15:37:21

If you have lots of Powers, you might be able to power your way through the level, but otherwise it's likely to take a long time to finish, which if you really want that TS now, may still be worth it.

Epic @ 80% is still pretty good, but of course a far cry from 160% where you get a surplus of 60% of armies which makes it an awesome tool for clearing out the big territories on some levels.

I aborted and started Old Town.

Edited 11/26/2021 17:26:14

As I said somewhere, the rewards for the hardened levels might not be part of the map data but global game/server data. In this case it really doesn't matter on which platform you play and whether you update the app or not. In this case all apps (both browser and mobile) would query the server "Hey this player has finished hardened CCC, what next?" and the server now would answer with "Give them this epic artifact". No way around this anymore. But hey, that's just my assumption based on observations from other players. I might be wrong.

I think you have to finish the Level before updating. But I didn't do that.