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Strategic 1v1 (Ladder): 9/20/2021 18:58:09

Toni
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Thanks for the info, don't thought people would do that around here, one can only trust oneself obviously :)
Strategic 1v1 (Ladder): 9/20/2021 19:55:15


l4v.r0v 
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Xeno actually is a pretty good mentor and player, but he jokes around sometimes. If you want to learn how to play competitively, I recommend finding a mentor early on. The easy way to do this is to join Xeno's clan Discovery, join the Discord, and then you will (unless things have changed) get showered with attention and mentorship as long as you show motivation.

This is generally true for most of the strategic community as well. People are very generous and sincere if they believe you are sincerely motivated and coachable.

I was looking for some game links because I've seen Xeno actually explain picks really well before, but I can't find them. I can, however, find you a few from other players/mentors where, if you read the game chats, they explain basic pick strategy in depth and discuss approaches for specific boards:
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=26285481
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=26285572

Both Ursus and Redqueen are among the best competitive strategic players on the game. I can't tell if you're new to the community, but if you are, welcome! I recommend joining the Discord (https://discord.gg/p8r676Ge) and finding a few clan/strategy Discords to join (here's the one for Discovery: https://discord.gg/aSGp8vx5). Once you're connected with the community and have a mentor, your training time tends to get very efficient because of all the help you get.
Strategic 1v1 (Ladder): 9/20/2021 20:06:08


Loxiiv 
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it's my alt, I'm just acting like I'm new to get into discovery
Strategic 1v1 (Ladder): 9/20/2021 20:06:36


Loxiiv 
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I bribed Timi to tell Xeno my alt's actually German
Strategic 1v1 (Ladder): 9/20/2021 21:11:17

Toni
Level 57
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@l4v.r0v ty for the very nice answer and yeah probably I get a little bit wrong, it was just fun from @xenophone now even I can see it :))
I think watching games from good player is a good advice, I will do that and hope I can figure out what is behind there orders (more or less) lol.
About joining a clan, I am not ready for that at the moment, wanna figure out as much as possible on my own.
So thanks again for you help, hope we see soon in a game and have fun :)
Strategic 1v1 (Ladder): 9/21/2021 07:13:02


Loxiiv 
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holy shit this is so alt like, I need to use this as a copypasta when my alts get discovered. if you want to watch good games look at the 1v1 ladder and the mtl http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/
Strategic 1v1 (Ladder): 9/21/2021 11:26:52

Toni
Level 57
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Tried your link @Loxiiv but there comes every time this short message :)

The supplied invite token is invalid. You have not unlocked all the templates and maps on this ladder. Error Code - {'createPlayerLimit': '37', 'color': '#0000ff', 'name': 'Toni', 'template940674': {'result': 'CanUseTemplate'}, 'levelForMapUsage': '52', 'template980615': {'result': 'CanUseTemplate'}, 'template1006750': {'result': 'CanUseTemplate'}, 'template1121183': {'result': 'CanUseTemplate'}, 'template940673': {'result': 'CanUseTemplate'}, 'tokenIsValid': '', 'template1402022': {'result': 'CanUseTemplate'}, 'tagline': '', 'featuresUnlocked': 'CanChangeKillRates, CanOverrideBonuses, CanUseAbandonCard, CanUseAirliftCard, CanUseAttackOnlyTransferOnly, CanUseBlockadeCard, CanUseCustomScenariosInMP, CanUseDiplomacyCard, CanUseExtraArmiesForTerritories, CanUseGiftCard, CanUseHighFog, CanUseLocalDeployments, CanUseMultiAttackAndAttackByPercentage, CanUseOpenSeatPrerequisites, CanUseOrderPriorityAndOrderDelayCards, CanUseNoSplitMode, CanUseSanctionsCard, CanUseSpyLikeCards, CanUseWastelands', 'level': '52', 'template1386921': {'result': 'CanUseTemplate'}, 'template1000099': {'result': 'CanUseTemplate'}, 'template1298218': {'result': 'CanUseTemplate'}, 'template1124719': {'result': 'CannotUseTemplate', 'reasonCode': 'MapLocked'}, 'template980617': {'result': 'CanUseTemplate'}, 'template980613': {'result': 'CanUseTemplate'}, 'isMember': 'False', 'template1006748': {'result': 'CanUseTemplate'}, 'template940675': {'result': 'CanUseTemplate'}, 'template1006741': {'result': 'CanUseTemplate'}}

So you make jokes like @Xenophon, nice :))
At least the 1v1 Ladder advice is good, ty for that
Strategic 1v1 (Ladder): 9/21/2021 11:39:37


rick
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you are not worthy enough, get to level 57
Strategic 1v1 (Ladder): 9/21/2021 12:07:42

Toni
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Ty @Rick, Level 57 so 5 Levels to go. Then I will try again, thanks for the info and sorry @Loxiiv for thinking in the
wrong direction :))
Strategic 1v1 (Ladder): 9/21/2021 12:14:57


(ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! 
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You think in the right direction actually. It was just coincidence that the link, he posted was exceptionally no trolling 😅😅
Strategic 1v1 (Ladder): 9/21/2021 13:57:21


Derfellios
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I rewrote my code a bit less lazily to take reinforcements into account. So these are purely the player's incomes. My database has about 150k games, so, by no means, this is a complete list.

Turn 5: 22 income max (57 examples): (Combination of bonus and the number of examples of this combination of bonuses_
- SEA + West China + East China + Indo: 48
- Greenland + Scan + West Russia + Cauc: 4
- East US + West US + Central America + South America: 3
- Scan + West Russia + East China + West China: 1
- Central America + South America + West China + East China: 1

One combination is much more common than every other combination. I would attribute this that many of these games feature an East China FTB as start (though a SEA FTB works as well), giving much more armies, and there are even a few armies left to spare during turn 4 (which is not the case for the other variations). In all games I checked manually (~20), there was an FTB taken.

Tacky posted a Ant + Aus + West Russia + Cauc variation, which is very rare and not in my 1v1 ladder database.

Turn 5: 29 income max (2 examples): https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=12865252 and https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=13715763
- West Russia + Central Russia + East Russia + Cauc + West China: 2

Turn 6: 35 income max (1 example): https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=11836160
- Scan + West Russia + Cauc + West China + East China + SEA + East Russia

Turn 7: 42 income max (1 example): https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=11376266
- Greenland + Scan + Europe + West Russia + Central Russia + Cauc + East Russia + West China

Turn 8: 48 income max (1 example): https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15580457
- A lot

Turn 9: 53 income max (1 example): https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=13131161
- A lot

Turn 10: 58 income max (1 example): https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17743423
- A lot
Strategic 1v1 (Ladder): 9/22/2021 10:42:52

Toni
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@Derfellios that was exactly what I was looking for, even more with examples and list of the bonuses involved , ty for this great research!
I think will made me a word or excel file and copy that into it.
Strategic 1v1 (Ladder): 9/22/2021 19:12:09


Master Ryiro 
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turn 6 I was able to squeeze in 36 income if you start with same picks as the ones mentioned in Derfilios's post but central russia is not a wasteland
Strategic 1v1 (Ladder): 9/22/2021 19:15:08


Loxiiv 
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turn 6 I got 69 income cause I fiddled with the settings
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