Lmao, very very sad, but okay at least you admit it.

for legal purposes i must clarify that this is faked

This gave me a good laugh

I appreciate Mylo's honesty, I think his posts pretty much exhaust everything that needs to be said on the topic

There are 3 templates, of those MH players you see sitting to play the only one with 2v2 ladder skills is me, at top 10 with 1 run. I'd be wasted by any Masters pair there, so i just don't play that 2v2 and neither do the rest of my clan mates. The other is commanders LD which is either a quick win/loss if someone messes up picks or you're looking at 45mins++ of constant clicking and local deploy. There are 2 GG and a Masters there, so that would be 3 long games that we're quite happy to just not play that template!
From Masters side, probably about the same considerations knowing that if they choose 2v2 and find an MH pair the game will take 45mins++... or they play commanders LD and take 45mins++
So we're all squashed into SE1W

What I actually take away from this is that everyone struggles each timeslot to find a template they (a) like, (b) can win on. Does anyone actually like the way CW is setup right now with the timeslots and the template choices?

(b) is everyone's own problem to deal regardless if it be choosing what you're good at or avoiding what you are actually good but others are better, but (a) is fixable. We've talked about it in other threads also challenging the timeslots and players having to make serious effort to play during the timeslots. TLDR from those threads, my suggestion is make the timeslots hourly and just post every template all at once, and have a checkbox to "slide down if no opponent is found", so there is an order of templates that starts at the bottom with SEAD, SE1W, SECB, S1v1... and if you don't check the box, you don't get a game, no free win. If you do check the box and don't get an opponent, your template changes as far down the list as is necessary to get to SEAD to get you a game. Or just make it like QM and you select which templates you're okay to be matched on (but it still "slides down the list").

It certainly sounds like no one wants to play the 45 min CW template games and only choose them to satisfy condition (b) because there's nothing that meets both (a) and (b). So why are they even templates in rotation? Players should be able to play what they like, not forced to choose from the available poor templates. I've foregone playing CW at all some days b/c the timeslots I could make had what I consider to be crap templates (those 45 min ones). Include all the templates, let people play what they want, and then you'll see what people actually like. Pulling stats showing that people actually choose template X over 2v2 is not an accurate stat, b/c it's only chosen b/c there's no better option, and for many, it's either choose that crap template, or don't play CW that day.

Oh yea, and round robin matching. Every clan plays every clan as much as is possible.

I think these changes would fix the too-much-effort-to-play everyday problem, and also all the matchmaking fuss.

Maybe that wasn't so TLDR. My bad.

Anyone else finding it amusing that most of the people throwing shade on Masters and MH are from their main competitor, TSFH?
Stop whining.

LOL ... in this thread, yea, it seems to be ... but now that we've cleared up that Masters isn't partaking in the conjectured collusion, it's really just MH avoiding Masters, I'll point out that Masters have also indicated a desire to change how the matchings work - in order to be paired against MH more often. So not just TSFH.

But fair point . . . what do the others top 10 clans have to say on this? Polish Eagles, Excel, TLA, Sabers, RoK, Python?

NOTE: We're not talking about collusion anymore - we've cleared that up. Masters plays what they want, and MH does their best to avoid them. Fair enough. Tbh, if a dialog popped up when my CW game is ready that asked if I wanted to play vs Masters, MH, or 'any other clan', I'd likely pick 'any other clan' most of the time (but not all of the time - I like to go back and challenge the best sometimes).

welcome to the official "why isn't tsfh the best clan this is so unfair" thread, feel free to call masters big mean cheaters to get extra points in clan brawl!!!!!

oops wrong account

Who let you off the leash Lox?

i say the rating system needs to be changed matchups shouldnt be guranteed based on rating.

Rating should be removed, and matchmaking should be done based on rank. This would be very fair.

masters should be removed for being better than tsfh

NOTE: We're not talking about collusion anymore - we've cleared that up. Masters plays what they want, and MH does their best to avoid them.

Isn't it for pretty much every player true that the template choice is a function with the 2 input parameters of "template enjoyment" and "perceived win chance on that template". The problem with the template enjoyment parameter here is that nobody really enjoys getting destroyed frequently so if you have a low perceived win chance, you will also not enjoy that template in CW. For this reason it probably boils down to that players mostly choose the template where they have the highest perceived win chance while maybe avoiding some extreme templates like a 2 minute autoboot local deployment game on a relatively big map. This is not only true for my clan. Some non bomb connoisseurs from the Master clan showed up in our bomb template last season, they got the result according to their lack of understanding of that template and soon moved on to their previous templates where they were used to getting good results.

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Interestingly the question how much your game contributes to your clans CW success is not necessarily linked with your own success on a specific template. The reason is that if you choose a certain template, you influence your clanmates matchups
a) during that timeslot by potentially pushing them to a weaker clan and thus likely weaker opponent and
b) also for future timeslots.

a) is true for every clan while b) is not necessarily true for every clan to the same extent. Pretty much every player only cares for his own success rate btw and does not understand that this does not necessarily translates to his clans success.

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Let's just choose a template we will ask M'H and MASTERs to not play.
I am pretty sure they are nice people who would listen.

In general Masters would always prefer to play against MHunters than Pythons or other good players but that's not much of an issue for me personally

What really bothers me is when we queue for 2v2 template along with 2 Pythons and 2 MHunters, the system gives the worst rated clan a free win and 2 points, while the better clans have to fight for 2 points.

Isn't it just better to give pythons the free win since they're worse in terms of CW points? Sure MHunters are not close to Masters for it to be an equal matchup but they still win many 2v2s against us, its not that bad of a matchup

The concept of free win is something I thoroughly dislike but if you have to do it still then it can be implemented a lot better than what it is now

I get free wins against tacky

you get wins?

only against tacky and excel players, I do try my best to lose but it's really hard sometimes

ofc, for some who tries losing, it gets reversed and you win.

free winz are lame. +1