Oh shut up with your half assed argument against me. I don't vote because YOU tell me to, I vote for who I believe to be a viable option, like the rest of the village should. You are not confirmed in my eyes, and neither is his balls. Why should I listen to you at all Arun? You're not even on the same trust level as his balls, in fact the only reason I have for suspicion on His balls is his weak "Lynch the lurkers" argument at the near end of the game. YOU HOWEVER are trying to shove your motives and victims down other villagers' throats, and are now threatening a lynch if they disagree with you....If he never sounded wolfish, surely this should cast doubt to even the most optimistic.

LYNCH ARUN, THE OPPRESSIVE

Arun. What? He has claimed angel therefore we cannot vote him. What?? Have you lost your mind? Where the hell does the 'therefore' fit into that sentence. You say it like it is an obvious conclusion. The obvious conclusion is the claim is complete twaddle unless he backs it up with a clear and complete explanation of his night actions thus far. How can you be so easily swayed?

Put your kasp or ace Windu case forward then. You are still ploughing on with this idea that there is some sort of consensus in this regard. I havent seen any consensus, especially with regards ace.

I'd be happy to vote lawlz but hhh is too obvious to overlook any more.

Lawlz. Can you not see the logic in what I say regarding hhh.

Its like everyone is just selectively reading. Villagers b shouldn't do this. Wolves obviously try to so this.

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I see your logic, and raise you an "I disagree". Oh it makes sense alright, I just don't think it's the right choice

Lawlz. No the village should not independently vote for who they think is a wolf. If we stick together we might be wrong but at least we have a shot and lynching a wolf. If there is any kind of split vote we lose purely on numbers.

Come on man. Is this not sinking in?

What about lynching lurkers do you find weak? Explain. Please point out how that leads to a conclusion that im a wolf. I'm happy to debate. That's why I'm playing this game.

And you have also selectively overlooked my point about the obvious false angel claim not possibly being a village tell.

Edited 2014-10-12 12:01:29

What are you disagreeing to? That doing nothing is a very strong wolf tell?

You are somehow suggesting that my actions are more wolfish.

If I had sat and done a hhh all game you wouldn't be able to tell us apart. This is only good for the wolves. If all of us had sat and done a hhh you wouldn't be able to tell anyone apart and we would just have to guess. Also only good for wolves.

Villagers need to be active.

Edited 2014-10-12 12:03:03

If we stick together we might be wrong but at least we have a shot and lynching a wolf.

True, I agree with that, as I have the entire game, but there is bound to be points where people will disagree, and that can be a good thing. I'm not suggesting everybody vote randomly, I'm saying free vote is better than oppression. All I'm getting from Arun is 'Lawlz won't vote with me, there's proof he's a wolf. If you were village you would vote with me because I tell you too'

What about lynching lurkers do you find weak?

I see it as something to do towards the beginning, not the end.

Please point out how that leads to a conclusion that im a wolf.

I said it's possible, I don't fully believe it myself, but there's always the possibility you could be trying to distract from lynching real wolves (I.E Arun)

And you have also selectively overlooked my point about the obvious false angel claim not possibly being a village tell.

Is that directed at me or Arun? I think he's been a villager this whole time, and that angel claim was, again, self preservation.


One for Arun....

He has claimed angel. Therefore we cannot vote him yet.

Skunk and JSA said I was an angel, and they were/are confirmed villagers. Do you agree on not voting me?

What are you disagreeing to? That doing nothing is a very strong wolf tell?

I disagree in this specific case, not in general. I think looking back at his posts, and his past on the forums in general, he's very quiet. And while I agree it's the perfect cover for a wolf, I think he's genuinely not paying much attention. Hell I'm active as hell on forums and even I only checked Wild West (Silver's second attempt at a wolves duplicate) a grand total of 4 times

You fucking idiot. You vote WITH VILLAGE. You DO NOT just vote who you think is best. You debate the case, and go with the consensus, be it a suggestion from me or anyone else. This is suspicious. Your suspicion of me without any actual case is beyond ridiculous.

His Balls see sense! Fine, discount Ace. Clavicus spoke with me about Kasparov st least! As long as there is ANY risk we must take a different route. This is the turning point!

>No Case

Lurk Moar

You have no case? Why the fuck would you vote me than? Wolf.

"He has claimed angel. Therefore we cannot vote him yet."-Arun

Skunk and JSA said I was an angel, and they were/are confirmed villagers. Do you agree on not voting me?

I don't vote because YOU tell me to, I vote for who I believe to be a viable option, like the rest of the village should.

YOU HOWEVER are trying to shove your motives and victims down other villagers' throats, and are now threatening a lynch if they disagree with you

I have already explained myself. That's more than you had against me, Wolf.

I am putting a case forward and nobody is disputing it convincingly. You denied being an angel; risk is nearly 0 for you.

You are acting outside the village's interests and now you are refusing to reconsider. That's wolf behaviour.

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Are you the village interests? Because if thats the case, then I sure as hell don't agree with you, and if I ever do, it'll be by coincidence. His balls doesnt even agree with you.

It's not about people! It's about the reasoning. I don't care what you think of me. I'm trying to lead the village to the correct lynch.

There is a (albeit small) chance of HHH being the angel. There is a next to no chance of Kasparov and all other suspects being the angel. As the village want to keep our angel, we should not take any risks! Find flaw in that reasoning, please.

Arun. Let's see the case for Kasparov.

Okay i have pressed the refresh button myself. About hhh. He hasn't been drunk so he is claiming to have been an angel since day one. Since there is no counter claim yet we have to assume no one else alive is an angel (I will hold judgement on this till everyone has considered hhh's claim). There were two angels at the start and only one has died. There are only two possibilities for what happened to our second angel.

Either hhh is telling the truth and has been an angel since day one not managing to save a single soul.

Or

Ace windu was the other angel and got drunk becoming a wolf. He then passed this info on to the wolves and suggested that hhh role claim in his place.

I dont really picture option two given the state of activity of both players.

Obviously this makes some assumptions due to lack of participation and also relies on the fact that all the villagers are doing all they can in the interest of the village rather than self interest (something i am becoming increasingly dubious about - in the first game someone played for their own personal victory condition).

Therefore I actually have to believe hhh. However sad this makes me.

Please point out any mistakes I may have made.



Skunk, what's all this about Lawlz being an angel?

Edited 2014-10-12 15:48:03

Thank you his balls. So we are decided that we cannot lynch HHH. I believe we should get Kasp next but I'll take a look at the thread before commenting further.

Lets all calm down. We want to lynch the wolf we can agree on that.

Lurking behaviour alone is not a tell of being a Wolf. At this point in the game we have alot of evidence we can trawl through to find actual wolves. Comments from previous wolves, for example. It's effort but it's doable.

HHH's inactivity is not a sign that he is a wolf, and considering this is our last chance to not be outnumbered by wolves, we need to be VERY SURE.

I would say to HHH, tell us who you protected each night. Very simple task, just 4 or 5 names? If you can't do that then we might aswell lynch you.

I agree with Clav, if he doesn't tell us who he protected and why, we should lynch him. If he does tell us then I'd need a very good reason to vote for him. The fact that he seems to be playing for himself means even if his claim is false he could easily be a villager.

I'm looking at kasp currently. Here is a summary of his contributions.

Bandwagon on mmb. Then says 'let's try to be more careful next time.'
'I want to do better this time' - you arent trying very hard.
I pointed out he was on the bandwagon and doing nothing.
Voted clavicus
'We're not off to a great start' I see this as a wolf tell.
Please seer timi or apollo (we know Apollo was a wolf)
Double lynch would b really bad
Dont think Eliza is a wolf but I'll vote her anyway
No double lynch
Goes mia and the 'hey I'm chatting a lot via skype' pointless
We Dont have a seer lol
Bandwagon on Apollo
Regrets voting Apollo, tries to get others to change
I should have voted gnuff
Let's do better!!!
'Wow intense night'. Everything here is empty.
Suspects clavicus and Lawlz with no reasoning
Should crack down on lurkers
Rushes to vote ghengis
Hi im Not inactive I've posted once or twice a round. Returns to the shadows.
I like added flair from drunks - so you are here and that's your contribution?
Vote lawlz - no explanation
Makes joke about voting dom
Apparently voted Lawlz because he trusts stupid
Picks out Kantos from aruns suspect list
Reminds us that he voted Apollo one of the first - wee know he regretted that and now he's using it as a defence?

And that's it. My vote would be happy here.

Amazing that his entire contribution can be summarised so easily. And I can't find a single case made. What a load of fluff.

To summarise my summary
All fluff
All bandwagons
Hi I voted the jugawolf I must be village - omits the part where he regretted voting jugawolf
Distancing himself from own votes - same with mmb
A lot of 'oh no that wasn't a good night' and 'let's do better' classic wolf.

Edited 2014-10-12 17:51:27

Ace, I have explained that there is only two option regaeding hhh's claim. If it is false then you must both be wolves. Dont go saying stuff like 'if his claim is false'.

At the moment I'm still thinking you are both village. Hhh is angel.

Hhh save someone please.

Edited 2014-10-12 17:50:28