As the village settled down for the night, the wolves went about the village with a steely determination, and found their target stalking the night with equal vigour. He fought a good battle, but, eventually, was overcome by sheer numbers, and succumbed to the injuries they inflicted.

JSA is DEAD. He was the idiot.

skunk940 is DRUNK.

CHANGE TO 'DRUNK' RULES:
From now on, the "wolf" roles have been removed from the spares. I have removed 5 roles; 1+ wolf/wolves, and 1+ villager(s). This means that no future drunk can switch side; if they are currently team village, they will remain on the village side. Wolves can still become drunk as normal. From now on, drunks can pick from 1-5.

JSA spearheaded a campaign to lynch His Balls. He was also a special. The wolves decided he was their best target despite him being a possible Angel priority. His Balls looks veeeerryyyy suspicious now.

Just for the record, missed votes for remaining players:
Ace - 2 (2 & 6)
HHH - 2 (4 & 6)
TI - 1 (5)


So another missed vote for Ace or HHH = death. Everybody else seems safe for now.

Except that his balls shows no sign of being a wolf, jsa would not have been dumb enough to risk lynching a useful villager. They killed jsa because he was the wisest confirmed villager.

We need to stay United.

I propose we vote Kasparov or kantos as many of us seem to agree on that.

I personally want to see ace put under pressure of a vote but now is a time for an easy lynch.

I'd go for Kasparov out of your suggestions but what makes you say His Balls shows no sign of being a wolf? The lack of significant contribution? The smartest confirmed villager's suspicions? His unwillingness to discourage Skunk from his anti-JSA tirade (until I exposed it)?

Might I remind you that I was one of the first to vote for Apollo?????

If I were a wolf, that would have been insanity, voting for the JuggaWolf to get lynched.


Edit, since I'm nice, I'll even throw in a screenshot so you won't have to hunt down proof:




Edited 2014-10-07 21:40:58

Trust me, y'all. I'm a villager with a big saxophone. -cough-

I have seen him contribute. He argues for lynching lurkers and votes with the town. He has been wrong a few times but we all have. I saw no out-of-the-way attacks on JSA, perhaps I missed them?



Kasparov, you came very quickly to follow Arun's attack on Apollo, which also came rather quickly. I have been suspicous about that all along so you voting for a Wolf (whom I think could of just been staged) is not proof to me.

Why did you vote Lawlz (Like Mr Veigar did) instead of going with the town mob? Like to note that Arun also didn't vote for the wolf last round. For somebody aggressively asserting that you are going to save the town you havn't actually been instrumental in taking down a wolf yet. Apollo was shot by a semi-inactive vigilante who half-reads. Meanwhile you push people to vote for who you say and have been at the very least trying to create a vote against, what we now know, a villager. This is directed towards Arun not Kasparov.

The only thing you have going for you is that you took down Apollo. Except you didn't. I'd remind my fellow villagers of this.

So in short Kasparov, you siding with Arun, somebody I suspect, is no proof whatsoever to me.

But I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if you agree to vote with the confirmed villagers. Of course without JSA (damn those wolves) our confirmed villagers are less than ideal.

I would say, a core group of villagers that I trust(mostly) to be:

Clavicus Vile
His Balls
Tactical Incursion
Dr Stupid
Skunk.

Can we all discuss this thoroughly and pick somebody we can all agree on before creating the mob justice?


TL;DR: Arun is very suspicous and is taking the glory for something he never really achieved. Kasparov climbing onto Arun's claim of saving the town doesn't help his story (to me). His Balls has not seems overtly Wolfie to me. Ace Widu has some serious wolf blunders out there and I don't want to be the only one shouting this out. Kantos is possibly being used as a scapegoat, and Lawlz definately is.

Just as an aside that I found whilst browswing

Quote Lord Veigar:

I didn't "Just go for Eliza". I tried to save gnuff, who turned out to be a villager. And nearly everyone went with the Mystery bandwaggaon, so don't single out Kantos and I just from that. And as I said earlier, I haven't been active that much because I have other things to do in my life. Never have I caused a lynch unless I was sure that the person looked suspicious and was trying to kill a villager (like with gnuff).

Just because I say one thing that support his balls im automatically a wolf? In that case, Dr. Stupid would also a wolf, since he is also defending my cause. Do you guys realize that the only evidence you have against me is one post? Arun, you are no better with Lawlz with these accusations.

If we analyze this now knowing he knew who was a wolf and who wasn't, we might get some answers.

It looks likely that he is incriminating Kantos and discredits the Gnuff/Apollo thing.

That said, it looks like this post would push Dr Stupid, Arun and Lawlz into a more trusted area. A pretty grey area here and i'd like some other people's opinion on how to dissect that post.

It might appear that my opinions are all over the place. They are. I suspect Arun, but I would not want him out this turn and I may be completely wrong about him. I want him to vote with us to get another confirmed wolf out. Who can we all agree on? Kasparov? Kantos? HHH? Ace Widu?

Arun is willing to have you lynched, Kasparov, wouldn't you rather vote somebody else out?

You ask why I vote Lawlz, hmm? I voted for the same reason I had given when I voted: people have claimed he is a wolf, but nothing ever actually happened afterwards.


I do agree with you, though, that we should follow the confirmed villagers.

Some random thoughts of mine in a not at all organized format....

Clavicus-
While I appreciate you including me in your "core group of villagers", I am definitely not a confirmed villager. Nor are you. Nor is his balls. I would have a hard time sitting on that panel when my #1 suspect (you) is also sitting on that panel. See how that's kind of a conflict for me?

Arun-
You asked for angel protection and then we lost one of our confirmed villagers who probably would have had angel protection if you hadn't asked for it. This looks very much like a set up by you. On the other side of the coin, JSA was the one targeted. Because he was your ally against his balls, this kill would seem to endorse your claim against his balls. Either way, you wanted to survive one turn so that you could give us a slam dunk case against his balls. The floor is yours, what do you have?

Confirmed Villagers-
I see a lot of people suggesting various people be lynched this turn. I think just about everyone (except you two) has had a case made against them, so this is where I (and maybe others) could use your leadership in... What kind of a lynch do we want tonight? Are we trying to find a mastermind wolf (Arun vs. his balls) or are we trying to get any kill we can get? (kasparov, lawlz, kantos, hhh)

I repeat again. Mastermind Wolf = Ace Widu. A strong possibility.

Dr Stupid, I suggest these core villagers come to an agreement. I am happy to go with the confirmed as are the others that have been in that group I listed. It's no sign of leadership only agreed upon mutual interest.

ok. fair enough clavicus. skunk and TI, please see my question above.

Times like this wish I was still alive... Hope to have more success next game.

You are still in our thoughts bdh. We will fight to the end and cherish the memory of all our fallen.

I'll do a full posts with my thoughts on eveeyone later but for now let's look at everyone's suspects. So if everyone could do a top 5 suspects list (ideally with reason) we should be able to make some deductions from that. This is a post- night kill list please. If it hasn't changed re-state it.

My list (reasoning to follow)
Lawlz
Hhh
Kantos
Kasp
Ace

The bottom two are very very vague for me and I will have to check later.

Edited 2014-10-08 05:33:22

Oh and quickly about the jay kill. I really thought it might be TI getting killed as the wolves would want jay skunk and Arun to lead me to the gallows. But it seems they went for a different tactic.

Arun, think about the wisdom in what you say here:

JSA spearheaded a campaign to lynch His Balls. He was also a special. The wolves decided he was their best target despite him being a possible Angel priority. His Balls looks veeeerryyyy suspicious now.

If that makes you even surer than apparently sure before then you are not thinking deep enough. It would be a very bold wolf to kill his main accuser half an hour after they had stated their intentions. I realise this is what they call a WIFOM situation but at the very least you have to consider once again that the wolves are attempting to deceive and the conclusion you have drawn is the one they wanted. Remember, they have precedent for this tactic, lynching rento in an attempt to incriminate timi.

Edited 2014-10-08 05:35:17

And about Arun before I forget. Everything you do seems to be an attempt to muddy the waters and you really are pushing to get back on my list.

You voted lawlz apparently because you were tierd. One hour later (you should have been in bed) you were apologising for a mistaken vote. Another hour later (again you should have been in bed) lawlz had dropped to 4th on your list. What changed? This is strange behaviour and there is no explanation.

Add this to the fact that you went straight to jay with my thoughts on why skunk might be holding his info (after I explained why that was not a good idea) and you can see why you are moving up my list.

Yeah actually Arun you are back above ace. Very much looking forward to your bulletproof case on me.

Anyway guys let's see your lists. Just names will do for now.

Edited 2014-10-08 05:34:27

Tired after swimming... I don't think my vote was that late.

I trust Clavicus and to some extent Dr. Stupid. Therefore I will drop his balls for now. The reason I push so is I really want to take out the wolf mastermind. Now that may be Ace, I'm less certain.

Suspects:
Kasparov
Acewindu
Kantos
HHH

We should vote Kasp now IMO. Let's get thoughts down quickly and beat the deadline.

Not sure exactly why you think there is a mastermind or why, if there is, that we should risk a mislynch in an attempt to cut the head off the wolf pack.

In my opinion we just go for who we are most sure about.

I note that lawlz is now off your list entirely. What the hell?

My list:
Lawlz
Hhh
Kantos
Arun
Kasp

Keep those lists coming.

Edited 2014-10-08 06:25:41