Uh oh. Right this is not the line I wanted to follow as I know how a defensive position only digs a greater hole. However seeing as there is no changing votes and how previous lynches have gone, I would like to get in early on this before there is any momentum. The most worrying thing is that two of my accussers are confirmed villagers.

So my defence. I'm doing it again the backward defence, I'll call it. Where the hell did you get the idea that I have ever played well at this? I am one of very few (possibly only?) Wolves ever to be lynched and if you think my play in the last game was similar I am fighting a losing battle.

I am slightly gutted to have put in so much effort and aruns argument (whatever it was) has convinced you. So i implore you to look for evidence other than how badly i have hunted. Skunk and jay try to look at my text and the ideas I have put forward. See how despite being wrong I have provided nothing but logic to help the village. Look for contradictions, situations where my story is inconsistent, anything before you lynch another villager.

At the very least, see that what I say regarding the quiet ones is true. Keep me for now, and cross this hurdle later. Surely we have better options than someone providing so much. I am resigned the fact that I will be lynched before the end because no one wants to lynch the like of hhh or Veigar but surely not yet.

Here is the most important thing to note though. As I have said Apollo and Arun are wolves. That was an attempt to influence the game from the grave. He said he lasted longer because he knows Arun is a wolf. This is a) cheating and b) a poor attempt at cheating.

So back to where I wanted to be. Ghengis, do the other villagers not want you to tell jay because they don't trust him. Otherwise I Dont understand why you wouldn't; an honour thing? This is just a game. Whatever is useful for the village can be done without any slight on your reputation.

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Jay, just give yourself a chance to think about this. Both Arun and Apollo are wolves and they wanted you to come to the conclusion you just have.

Honestly, I don't think his balls is a wolf. There are far more suspicious people out there besides him. Anyone notice how clavicus has suddenly stopped posting who he wants to have lynched? I think he is trying to become hidden while other people accuse others.

The fact you consider it more likely that a bussing plot has occurred is incredibly suspicious! Why so skeptical?

If the specials don't want me to tell you then I wont tell you.

Skunk you're fucking retarded. Who gives a shit what the specials said?! The trusted villagers can be exactly that; trusted!! Give the names to the confirmed villagers immediately. They are both smarter than you. They are both better players than you. They can use the information better than you. By not giving the names to JSA TI, you make it apparent that a) you're mentally subnormal, b) you are listening to wolves who don't want their claims scrutinised or c) you are attempting to sabotage the village. Stop this nonsense.

Arun please lay of the slander for five minutes. I'm not a sensitive soul but if you are doing it for effect it is working to your disadvantage.


Did people read my stuff about Arun? Do you need me to find more?

Only a wolf would concentrate so little that days after confirming TI to be village still acuses him of being a wolf. I mean wolves know they are wolves so they have to fake putting in effort and thus make those mistakes.

Once again Arun I'm afraid you are just not thinking straight. Since I know I'm a villager I can only assume that there is a plot to lynch me.

Arun: 'The fact you consider it more likely that a bussing plot has occurred is incredibly suspicious! Why so skeptical?'

Yeah I have to be skeptical. That is the game. If you aren't you are getting it wrong. More effort please Arun. Find something. Something convincing.

Can everyone see that apollo's influence was meant to lead to me getting lynched? This is not a rhetorical question.

Okay this has got fun and I am properly stuck in now. This is the last one until some response.

Since Apollo is a confirmed wolf, you must assume his posts (even from the grave) are an attempt to mislead you.

Honestly, I could smell that the Arun-Apollo thing seemed like a farce from day 1. It's odd that it has kept going.

Sadly however I can see where this is going already though.

Lawlz might not vote with the village but he doesn't vote with the wolves either.

His balls, maybe they are playing it off. But I don't think so. You really have played much poorer this game than I had expected. You were very good as a villager in game 1 but not this game. Arun and Apollo hate each other. Yes, they coudl be trying to deceive me. But I don't think so.

Something that makes me think his balls is a wolf even more is Lord Veiger's defense of him. Veiger is very scummy this game, and that he just comes on to defend his balls is very suspicious. The wolves are obviously directed by someone very good, and I think that is most likely His balls or Clavicus. Clavicus is very villagey this game, so I have to assume his balls is a wolf from that as well.

And yeah, Arun, calm it down a bit. We have already said skunk is playing stupid by not giving his info to me and Tactical Incursions.

But as it is, Arun looks more villagey to me, while his balls looks more like a wolf.

However, I also am not 100% sure his balls is a wolf. For this reason, I'd rather kill Lord Veiger first. Veiger is very scummy and his defense of his balls makes him even more so. We can kill his balls next round assuming Veiger is a wolf. Also, if both Veiger and his balls are villagers, I'd rather lose Veiger since he contributes nothing to the game.

So in conclusion: I think his balls and Lord Veiger are wolves. But lynching Lord Veiger is less risky and provides close to as much information. So I am leaning towards lynching Lord Veiger.

@ Clavicus, Arun and Apollo often disagree and get in fights on the forums and various places. That is why I think it is unlikely to be a farce.

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Also, his balls and Arun, please compile evidence against the other. As much as you can.

That said, I'm not advocating an arun lymph at the moment. I would prefer a Kasparov or kantos vote.

Was there just one wolf card or can drunks still become wolves?

I'm fine with lynching lord veigar. As would be his balls (he can't back out of that now even if he is a wolf).

I didn't know Arun and Apollo Always fight so I guess it makes more sense now.

Well crap. I dont think i have time to go hunting for more info right now but let me say this, over the course of the last few days I have given you walls of text regarding my suspicion.

The lack of concentration. Mistaking TI for a wolf.

The sudden complete change of character making a very obvious effort at bussing.

The assurity on apollos alliegence.

The fact that everything Apollo says is an attempt to deceive.

How about, we agree to lynch someone different to either me or aeun for now, giving me and others more time to find further info. Can we all agree on lawlz?

I'd be fine with a Veigar vote as indicative of His Balls' guilt, bearing in mind that Veigar may just be a poor player.

I apologise for my 'slander'. I'm frustrated when people exhibit total stupidity at crucial moments.

Only a wolf would concentrate so little that days after confirming TI to be village still acuses him of being a wolf. I mean wolves know they are wolves so they have to fake putting in effort and thus make those mistakes.

His Balls, you make NO sense here. This is what happened: I conferred with a villager. This villager and myself agreed to vote Apollo (if you require screenshots, I'll include that with my evidence later). Because it was Gnuff's notion that Apollo was wolf and I only heard about it when we conferred, it is impossible that the Apollo lynch was a pre planned strategy. Therefore, it is very unlikely I am a wolf. If I was, my play that day would have been completely illogical. As to the arguement beyond the grave, that's just me hitting out at Apollo, who obstructed my attempt to shut out mindless chatter and expose poor play; helping wolves beyond the grave in other word. Glad he's silenced (JSA, I don't hate him though..).

Also, a wolf will ALWAYS put in more effort on average than a villager. That's because they have more to do! It's also because they need to be more careful. Additionally, they have a team to confer with. To repeat - you are making zero sense! Suspicious for you because you are a much better player than that! Impossible for you to camouflage that now. I've played with you twice now.

JSA is totally right and is pretty much mirroring my logic. Allow me some time before I compile my evidence. I'll post later today.

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I would much rather go with Kantos or lawlz as our compromise for now. How about that? Both of them have slipped up and all but admitted guilt.

Arun I am trying to respond to everything thrown my way. Care to do the same?

I'd be fine with a Veigar vote as indicative of His Balls' guilt, bearing in mind that Veigar may just be a poor player.

What would Veigar be revealed as to be 'indicative' of my guilt? Sorry I don't understand.

His Balls, you make NO sense here. This is what happened: I conferred with a villager. This villager and myself agreed to vote Apollo (if you require screenshots, I'll include that with my evidence later). Because it was Gnuff's notion that Apollo was wolf and I only heard about it when we conferred, it is impossible that the Apollo lynch was a pre planned strategy. Therefore, it is very unlikely I am a wolf. If I was, my play that day would have been completely illogical. As to the arguement beyond the grave, that's just me hitting out at Apollo, who obstructed my attempt to shut out mindless chatter and expose poor play; helping wolves beyond the grave in other word. Glad he's silenced (JSA, I don't hate him though..).

Also, a wolf will ALWAYS put in more effort on average than a villager. That's because they have more to do! It's also because they need to be more careful. Additionally, they have a team to confer with. To repeat - you are making zero sense! Suspicious for you because you are a much better player than that! Impossible for you to camouflage that now. I've played with you twice now.

Firstly i disagree entirely that there is more to do for wolves. Let's imagine that we all just posted our votes. There would be no information and the advantage would be firmly with the wolves. The wolves Dont actually need to do anything.

Also though, obviously what I said does make sense. The problem is you are confusing two arguments. Read back, I have acknowledged that your interactions were not pre planned and that you have just taken the info gnuff gave you and run with it.

The lack of concentration point was based on your accusation that TI is a wolf when he had, on multiple occasions been proven otherwise.

Yes wolves should be careful, but they slip sometimes. They already have full information, so scouring every post for information is a waste of time for them.

Apollo shouldn't shout random accusations from the grave, for whatever reason. Just leads to wrong conclusions and helping his fraction

I've given a tonne more than Arun as it is and am off out now. But i will try tomorrow if you still have me as a serious contrnder for the lynch. Not sure ill find any new lines of argument but I'll list the quotes for you.

We'd have more info and more time if we postpone this duel though. Are we seriously the top of the list? It seems as though this argument is just distracting from all our previous suspects. Obviously exactly what the wolves want.

I mean its nuts that the inactives just glide through like this. See what you can get from them.

What would Veigar be revealed as to be 'indicative' of my guilt? Sorry I don't understand.

Veigar is trying to protect you with a preposterous arguement. If he is a wolf, you most likely are.

Firstly i disagree entirely that there is more to do for wolves. Let's imagine that we all just posted our votes.

No; let's look at the game in all its complexity in order to actually get the true picture. Villagers discuss here, occasionally discuss privately (but for me at least, this is very much informal chat and not something I make time for), and vote. Wolves must discuss here occasionally at least (assuming lurkers are targeted), discuss privately every turn very often, vote, and discuss/submit night kills.

Villagers do do less. That is why my attention is less this game. That is why I missed obvious things. A wolf takes care, you said it yourself! They wouldn't make a shocking mistake; particularly to do with village specials...

They already have full information, so scouring every post for information is a waste of time for them.

Remember that I have played with you before. Wolves do read every post. They don't scour for clues of course, but they read and digest every post. They simply cannot miss a village special being exposed.

God damn Arun if you had just stayed calm...

Yes if I'd stayed calm I'd have been pretty safe from lynching and wolf attack. However, since breaking my silence we have got rid of the Juggawolf and we look close to getting rid of another two wolves. You seem regretful that I became more active and successful for the village.

The sudden assurance about Apollo

You said yourself it was based on a confirmed villager's logic, not mine. Your arguement is invalid. You have shot yourself in the foot and made yourself look more desperate in the process. Also, you again appear regretful I killed the Juggawolf.

This is exactly the same kind of over the top act

I think that's my character to be honest. Not something to be proud of, and not something I can really change permanently.

The lack of concentration when accusing TI of being a wolf days after he was confirmed village.

What's that smell... desperation?

I have some pertinent information that others can't know on this matter

I don't understand this. Information? Why haven't you contacted the elders?

Every contribution is valuable.

I play a game; I want to win. Stupid actions will feel my wrath when they threaten the village; particularly at crucial times such as this. SKUNK TELL JSA AND TI THE SPECIALS YOU IDIOT.

saying ' I think I'm 99% innocent'

Rushed post is rushed. You know as well as anyone else what I meant. Such a minor typo being picked up stinks of something... Some fancy 'Désespoir parfum'? I wouldn't recommend it - you stink.

Where the hell did you get the idea that I have ever played well at this?

I played twice with you. You are a skilled Wolves player. You think everything through. You are conscious of every word. You are quick to correct every other wolf. I can imagine you telling Veigar what a stupid idiot he is right now.

I have provided nothing but logic to help the village.

We're yet to lynch a wolf, right? Some help.

Keep me for now, and cross this hurdle later.

Change your perfume.

He said he lasted longer because he knows Arun is a wolf.

To remain in the spirit of the game, we should surely not take dead posts as evidence? I don't say this to defend myself, I say this because there are many possibilities as to why these posts are made. What if Apollo wants me dead so tries to frame me. You cannot use this as proof of any kind.

Only a wolf would concentrate so little

Cock and bull from you again! I'm choking on your scent! I have played with you - the care taken being a wolf is immense. As a villager, I have nothing to fear (supposedly) so I have no reason to be so careful.

Can everyone see that apollo's influence was meant to lead to me getting lynched?

The smell is offensive. You admitted the Apollo killing was due to Gnuffone's logic. Gnuffone is a villager. Please try a more convincing argument. You are disappointing me so far.

Okay this has got fun and I am properly stuck in now.

Got to agree. Enjoying this game much more than the last!

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You summarised, so I will too.

The lack of concentration. Mistaking TI for a wolf.

No. I have established why my concentration is low. The mistake is reasonable for a villager, though not for a wolf.

The sudden complete change of character making a very obvious effort at bussing.

You said yourself the Gnuff conversation could not have been catalysed by wolves. Therefore the change of character has already been explained!

The assurity on apollos alliegence.

I maintained throughout that day that I was not 100% sure, though I was very sure. This was based on Gnuff's logic. Gnuffone (confirmed villager) confirmed this!

The fact that everything Apollo says is an attempt to deceive.

Notion* It may be more to do with me and Apollo trying to put one over each other. Neither of us likes to back down and let the other have the last word. I can't speak for him though. This arguement is impossible to prove or disprove during the game unless Apollo breaks the rules. Pure conjecture from you.

Now see things my way. Every one of your arguments is weak. This is so unlike the very strong player I know you to be. In my opinion, you are playing quite desperately.

Can we all agree on lawlz?

Knowing that if Veigar is lynched as a wolf you will all but exposed, you desperately try to save yourself. No. We should vote Veigar. I will not make this official until it's clear JSA has no other suggestions.

*Acknowledges post war*

So all I say is that more people look like a wolf than his balls and this is what happens? Im not that bad at this game. I won the first game and almost won the second, and I haven't acted that much differently. Arun, I think that you are commiting too much solely on His Balls and me. I think you should consider other people besides us before voting. Your foolhardy approach is exactly what the wolves want right now.