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The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 04:53:01


Johnny Silverhand 
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Taking SEA instead of hitting Tomsk a turn earlier is IMO the most questionable thing I did.

I actually debated for a while whether to keep going full expansion and take Indonesia earlier than I did, but I decided it was risky, and not necessary to secure the win, as I knew turn 5 that the game was won (barring any huge mistakes on my part).

Edited 5/19/2021 04:54:40
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 05:18:52

Zev 
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Is Phobos an elite player? (Why?) no , for me only Master of desaster is an elite player
Is Nauz an elite player? (Why?) no, every player can beat every player
Can this challenge run its course, or will one player find an excuse or disappear before he loses 6 games? yes, they ll play till the end
Who will win this challenge? Phobos
What will be the final score? tight
Who will be crowned best picker? if i see the 1st game , i d say no one!
Nauz strategy was too risky for me cause pakistan

Any other challenges you’d like to see between Warzone players? timinator vs zev
Will Nauz ever get a trophy? yes
Are Masters too arrogant? it depends who!! there is a lot of good guys in Master, but Timinator is the king of arrogant player

Edited 5/19/2021 05:19:50
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 05:25:49


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Worse than Johnny Silverhand?
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 05:26:56

Zev 
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different style
exemple : when you ask him why he doesn t say gg when he lose, his answer is " fuck off"

Edited 5/19/2021 05:31:15
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 05:29:09


Johnny Silverhand 
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FWIW, I actually agree with Zev, I would say neither Phobos or myself are "elite". Though I would also accept the answer that we both are. I think it largely depends on how high people would set the bar for such a term personally. In my eyes, elite is only the "Top Tier" of players, who have almost no peers, ie. top 10 or so on the site. Neither of us are that good. That said, others might consider anyone over 2000 or so elo to be elite by the standards of the playerbase as a whole, and in that scenario we'd both apply.

Edited 5/19/2021 05:36:52
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 05:33:14

Zev 
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be 1st on 1v1 ladder , with only 3 picks is an elite player
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 09:42:17


Phobos 
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By my own personal definition of elite, I agree that neither Nauz or myself are elite.

To me elite players are players who are expected to light it up in CL A. Examples include: Beep Beep, Buns, Rufus, MoD etc.

I'm an upper tier CL B player, lower tier CL A player. I actually find Nauz's skill hard to estimate because his warzone profile is so weird, but I do think I'm better than him.
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 10:16:53


Loxiiv 
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Is Phobos an elite player? (Why?) I am an elite player
Is Nauz an elite player? (Why?) Never heard of him
Can this challenge run its course, or will one player find an excuse or disappear before he loses 6 games?
Who will win this challenge? Me
What will be the final score? 11-0
Who will be crowned best picker? Me

Any other challenges you’d like to see between Warzone players? Arrow vs Joeydavis
Will Nauz ever get a trophy? Trophy of biggest walls of text
Are Masters too arrogant? I love Marcus Aurelius and he is a very nice person
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 10:19:18


alexclusive 
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I thought the definition of elite was to be a MASTER Clan player?
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 10:32:54


Master Meldarion 
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Is Phobos an elite player? No, Phobos is a decent player, but I wouldn't call him elite.
Is Nauz an elite player? No, Nauz is a decent player, but I wouldn't call him elite.
Can this challenge run its course, or will one player find an excuse or disappear before he loses 6 games? It'll finish. We'll make it finish.
Who will win this challenge? Nauz
What will be the final score? 6-5
Who will be crowned best picker? Phoebe

Any other challenges you’d like to see between Warzone players? Waddles vs Xenophon
Will Nauz ever get a trophy? Yes
Are Masters too arrogant? Yes, we are all very stuck up. It's kind of our thing.
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 11:56:33

DoubleT
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I was invited by RAKLIDEUR to write a review of game #1. It's an honor to be such a guest and it's a shame some people like Xenophon don't understand it. Let's get down to this.

Background

Phobos got the 1v1 ladder trophy and apparently Nauz got angry. This is understandable since he was always cheated by the ladder. Make a long story short, the god of warzone known nowadays as Johnny Silverhand said he would rekt Phobos any day of the week. And then an epic battle with lots of spicy forum dramas would begin.


The game: Picks

In a melancholic board with the dreaded Pakistan+EastChina FTB, which is known for making [#ELITE!] players look like babies, Nauzhror expected the golden trophy holder to pussy away from it and used a 2072 IQ move by going for the highly rated double-pick in west china instead. I'm sure he learned it from quickmatch legends. This is just brilliant since if you lose your first pick, you move first in turn 1, in case you noobs didn't know. It does raise my eyebrow however that the follow-ups in Scandinavia and Venezuela respectively don't quite back this up much, and playing in the dark against a potential FTB pickset could be dangerous enough against a GTH - Golden Trophy Holder in turn 1. Since this is Nauzhror we're talking about, the obvious choice later has to be the absolutely necessary Australia for 5th pick, and the 6th is just a fart-like counter we all agree sucks.

For the trophy holder, the CHAMPION, the verified [#ELITE!] by warzone standards Phobos, he went for first pick in Venezuela which was probably just a polictics meme, leading me to think he's not taking this very seriously despite South America's decent potential. It would be very understandable (and disputed) if the warlord was in Brazil but i'm pretty sure Phobos wanted to meme-pick and humiliate the god Nauz. Following this desaster, he goes for a very unsafe West Russia combo/counterThatIsNotACounter, and 4-5-6 in the FTB area. The god Nauz had achieved his machiavelic goal.

Reviewer's Take: Nauz had better picks.


The Game

Everyone is happy to attack neutrals in the first few turns. Nauz had a ridiculously strong (if undisputed) growth potential but Phobos proved us all wrong by becoming just as rich even though he was in Venezuela, which is quite the paradoxal outcome. Go figure. The WC-EC combo however proved to be more of a stampeding force as the god Nauzhror could complete Southeast Asia by turn 4 (Known by [#ELITE!] players as SEA, pronnounced "ess-ee-ay"). Phobos can tell for sure Nauz is in that area and starts stacking like crazy in the dreaded Georgia bottleneck, while also pretending to be moving towards a West China double border to look cool, but we all know what he really wanted was to complete Caucasus - Champions love big bonuses. When he realizes Nauz hadn't moved to Iran, he quickly notices just how fucked he is, and tries to make up for it by growing a lot and moving into the bottleneck, but it was too late. He got CyberPunk'd.

From that point onwards, it was the classical scenario of "you can attack as many neutrals as you can, as long as you're my neutrals to attack". The champion has fallen in the first game by very intriguing and exquisite strategies by [#NAUZHROR!]. Not much to be said about the rampaging stacks moving towards the poor Champion's defense.

Reviewer's Take: Good game. Perhaps if i were Phobos, i'd have played differently - Don't like the idea of moving into Georgia with a lot of armies like that at all. It's not like we can break a god's bonus from an "unbreakable-like" position (Another [#ELITE!] cliché term). I expect him to come back and pose a bigger threat to the god Nauzhror in the next few games, as I'm sure the fine player was fired up by this outcome and the international repercussion.


Final Considerations

God is good. Can Phobos be better? We shall find out next. As a bystander, I only want to be entertained.
Thanks to RAKLIDEUR for giving me the honor of being this game's reviewer. And if you're interested in joining a good clan, consider Blitz!. We're the most loved and hated clan in Warzone.


Edited 5/19/2021 16:58:32
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 15:51:30


rakleader 
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And on the heels of this analysis (thank you Tito!), the first results from the Pick Rating Panel are out:

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Game 1
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=26949008

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Phobos's picks:

DrApe: 3/10
You just straight up lose if you get your first 3, so that certainly can’t be good. If you end up with WC against the FTB you’re in an awful spot where the wrong prediction loses you the game, but your opponent has a completely safe play. If you end up with Pakistan that’s pretty much a dead pick. I’m not sure what picks Phobos thinks this set wins against.


Jeff: 6/10
These are all about safety. If he gets SA he can take Africa after as it is unlikely to be picked. I am betting he did not expect to get 1,2,3 and wanted a spot in Asia. Unfortunately, that did not happen and it cost him the game. I would have made sure to have a spot in Asia and it was a big mistake not going there. I understand wanting safe income but you need to cover Asia which is the greatest source of income with this distribution.


krunx: 3/10
Underestimating Nauz with a pick set (classic counter 4-5-6) mainly against an ftb, which on top of that does only works, if the opponent gets SA or by random steals another pick. East China is a good pick and has to be picked earlier imo


Average rating: 4/10

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Nauz's picks:

DrApe: 6/10
Same problem against the FTB as Phobos, but here it’s only 50% chance they get it. That alone makes these picks better. I don’t like picking WC at all though, as I explained above. Sometimes you just have to pray for the coin flip and call it a day.


Jeff: 8/10
I actually like the bold pick here in China. The one issue is there is a FTB in SEA and Phobos could have picked the other spot. If he does then Nauz can be screwed. Luckily it works out and Phobos does not have a counter. Personally I would have gone for more spread out picks in an attempt to turn this into more of a brawl.


krunx: 7/10
Good general approach (1/2) dealing with SEA ftb by Picking the China-Combo. Pick-set however could be more fine tuned against an opponent who picks East China as #1; SA is an interesting pick for sure and could be picked higher. Australia and Indonesia worked fine here, but may cause problems against an opponent who picks different than Phobos did.


Average rating: 7/10

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All three experts agreed: Nauz had way better picks on this first board.
If Phobos wants to win this challenge, he'll have to pay more attention to his picks in the next games!

Edited 5/19/2021 18:47:20
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 17:57:47


Phobos 
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Much to the community's disappointment I will be taking a break from this challenge. I played very badly in game 2, and think that if I continue playing in my current form I will likely lose every game. I will resume the challenge in a few weeks when life factors are better for me.
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 18:28:23


Johnny Silverhand 
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The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 18:36:31


Phobos 
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I'll be here, so go ahead and make fun of me. I don't care if people think it's weak to take a break, I got more important things than an online risk game going on.

I'm very busy in real life. This results in me being tired and playing poorly. I didn't want to pass up the opportunity to start the challenge, and I don't think Nauz will duck me when I'm ready to resume in a few weeks now that he's up 2-0.

There's a bit of a gamble here if I resume after the break and still lose most of the games it looks really bad on me. I'm fairly confident that won't happen.
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 18:36:51


Grandknight67
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who called someone disappearing early on?

Edit: I do understand having to take a break though, life can be tough and sometimes you got to find time to cool off

Edited 5/19/2021 18:38:56
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 18:39:18


rakleader 
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Much to the community's disappointment I will be taking a break from this challenge. I played very badly in game 2, and think that if I continue playing in my current form I will likely lose every game. I will resume the challenge in a few weeks when life factors are better for me.


What an unexpected development! :O
I have to say, I wouldn't have picked Phobos as the more likely player to run from this challenge.
It looks like Nauz was a stronger opponent than Phobos expected!

I'll allow that break, but it cannot last too long. Many eyes are on this challenge and we wouldn't want to kill the momentum.
The 3rd game will have to start in less than a month, before June 19th. (Though the sooner, the better.)
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 18:44:58


rick
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oh shoot, I will have to edit my review. congrats to nauz for proving sceptics wrong. well played
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 18:50:14


Phobos 
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@rak I appreciate all the work you've done promoting this event, but I only need Nauz to agree.

Game 3 will be created on June 26th. I have confidence Nauz will accept that game.
The Challenge: Phobos vs Nauz (Megathread): 5/19/2021 18:50:20


Johnny Silverhand 
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> I'll be here, so go ahead and make fun of me. I don't care if people think it's weak to take a break, I got more important things than an online risk game going on.

I don't actually mind the break, but that screenshot is just too ironic for me to not get amusement from it. Wouldn't have honestly given you any shit about wanting a break if you hadn't said that yourself on discord yesterday.

Edited 5/19/2021 18:51:03
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