If yes-voting Scots won't hear your pleas (they correlate with the governments), why should I?

Scotland have been lining Englands pockets for centuries ... you not wanting to let go of that wealth is neo-colonialist.

Democracy, self determination ... these are British ideals, we fought for the Magna Carta, the English Civil War - Cromwell, so many times British people have been in the van of fighting for democracy and now you are acting the neo-conservative reactionary because it might affect your wallet.


Could you really explain to a Scot - face to face - man to man that you don't think they should be able to choose their own course because it might cost you money?

Grow up man

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"This is a capitalist society. Provide proof that others will pay for me in my times of turmoil and I will retract fully and accept you as a demi-god."

Clement Atlee set up for you the Welfare State. You live in it.

Yes I well would. They need to realise the impact of what they are doing. I'm not saying they shouldn't have the choice. You are mutating my messages. I'm saying that if they vote Yes, they are either missing the facts or are damn well malicious.

Clement Atlee hasn't created a benefit for me struggling with debt, with a mortgage... secondary effects of losing Anglo-Scot business as well as potential struggles of mine. Find that!

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Picture failed to post I think. Unless that's you failing to provide my proof.

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Selfish bastard

Atlee formed the NHS you, your friends, your family benefit.

Atlee regulated state pensions, you, your friends your family benefit

Atlee introduced the Dole many people benefit - god forbid you don't but if you do you don't have to worry about going hungry, naked or homeless.

Or maybe as long as you're ok fuck the rest of them that need that?

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People disagreeing with you must be malicious or ignorant? Arun, please reflect on what you are saying.

People making a conscious decision to risk me, my friends, and indeed the country are malicious in my opinion Ace.

Ska, where is the benefit for me with a job but in shitloads of debt anyway? That's what the northerners with lost business will require and there will be no help for them!

Where's the benefit?

Of what the NHS? Pensions or the Welfare State?

How about we stop helping the disabled and give you the money directly would that benefit you enough?

And Scots should be let to their own choices they owe no favours to the English, Welsh or northern Irish.

Ska you miss the point totally. Where is the benefit that will save the northerners with lost business from folding over? Where is that same benefit for me? It's the same question.

And Scots should be let to their own choices they owe no favours to the English, Welsh or northern Irish.

Yet we WILL bail them out if they need it. You want us to SHARE the pound with them.

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They will only 'fold over' if the Westminster government' tries to score political points as you are doing.

If they are human and consider their constituents as you should consider other human beings there will be no problem independence or no.

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Until Scotland folds. Then we all get fucked. The wouldn't be at risk of folding if Scots vote No.

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Why do you feel like you deserve any benefit at all, or those northerners do? It's the Scots' choice, they have the right to leave if they want to, and by your own logic of only thinking for your self-interest, they are no more malicious than you are.

Oh and skipping over Atlee now are we?

Grow up.

I need to sleep now, and as your whole arguements boil down to 'waa waa waa Y DON'T SCOTLAND help me ... Selfish Bastards' I don't see the point in continuing this discussion with you.

Moros they have the right to vote of course. Why would they want to vote yes?? They can devolve. They don't need a country to be Scottish. They only add risk by voting yes. Deserving and extra benefit is something I never said. It was an analogy of sorts.

Ska since you consistently couldn't answer me straightly instead attacking my intent to keep myself afloat (aka human instinct), I see no reason for you to continue the discussion either.

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Not to them. IT IS THEIR COUNTRY

IS THAT CLEAR?

Their country their choice.

There is nothing to say Scotland will need a bail out.

As you already said you don't even know that for every year Scotland has been in the Union it has contributed far more money than it took out. Why on Earth would that change now?

No matter how much they devolve, it will always be Westminster giving them pocket money instead of them spending their own oil pounds into their own country. Voting yes will get them a sandbox and many opportunities. Would you rather stay in the same area all your life because planes might crash?

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Because this has clearly been a massive shakeup. If Westminster continues unchanged, the Scots will only have more will to separate. They can separate. I don't give a shit about the UK as a whole. But why do they have to do it violently?! Let them devolve and separate peacefully! Salmond seems to want a rebellion.

Also, another issue. No matter what the result, nearly half the country will be in a country they don't want to be in. How can that be addressed?

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