Ska I will not be guilt tripped into thinking differently. I am like a majority of people. We are selfish dickheads who do our utmost to look after ourselves and our friends/family. No. I expect my government to do everything to prevent anyone entering more difficulty. I expect not to pay more unless it is necessary (which is why I disagree with so much of government spending in other sectors).

Also, if I am such a wanker for not wanting to save the North of England; what about the Scots who are voting Yes? They are potentially fucking themselves and the North of England over.

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Ace; no. The government may well refuse a currency union. Scotland cannot afford to use anything other than the pound for the reasons Ska keeps going over.

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This is very true Ace.

Independence would be a massive loss of face for the political establishment. To the Tories as the party in power and to Labour as a party with massive historical roots in Scotland and even to the Lib Dems as a significant player in Scottish politics.

But I genuinely hope Westminster for all it's southern bubble leanings does not try to punish it's own constituents in the north (and the wider u.k) to try and prove some silly political economic point :(

Silly point? Assuming Scotland doesn't join the Euro it will be more our responsibility than anyone to bail them out. The threats are there.

So what are you saying? Arun? Prosperity for London? For Wales? If Jim fucks with me then my mate James should bleed? Because Jim messed with me?

You cannot personalise this. These are thousands, millions of people. The clear solution is for the Union to remain intact. If the Yes vote wins - it will be an upheaval no matter what.

What are you saying? Jim is fucked over so I (along with James and millions of others) should split my gut paying more to save him? No! Why can't we stop Jim getting fucked over?

Fuck it pal.

This is where you need to go:

http://www.conservatives.com/

Click there. Rehearse.

Then repeat "The government knows what's right, the government knows what's right the gover..."

Why can't we stop Jim getting fucked over, Ska?

I'm saying whatever happens in the vote fucking ordinary working people over because you bought some economic story from a Chancellor who was caught on camera not knowing his basic times table is ridiculous and politically naive

This fear of having to bail them out seems to be your primary fear Arun. What makes you think Scotland will need to be bailed out in the future?

It isn't if the issue remains despite it being depicted by a prat.

@Ace; didn't you see the flaws in Salmond's White Sheet? Basically he overestimated everything. Basing a new country around oil is never a good idea.

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Oh I talk about caring about people's livlihoods and you talk about not wanting to support people in democracy in case you maybe, might, possibly have to pay slightly more taxes in the case that they may, possibly we're not sure but it could happen ... need a bailout ...

And I'm a prat?

The irony is that I have paid taxes in the U.K and I'm happy to take the risk, (and you're a student - a recipient of my taxes) if the Scots vote for it (I'd rather they stayed) good for them that is democracy.

Fuck living my life and wanting others to do the same based on selfish fears of I may have to pay a tax in the future if they exercise there democratic right.

... And I'm a prat?

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I meant the Chancellor was a prat (you mentioned him depicting the issues I am describing). I don't consider you a prat Ska :) And I wouldn't resort to insults here anyway.

you're a student - a recipient of my taxes

No I am not (I am a student though).

I am no less selfish than the Scots voting Yes despite the inevitable turmoil. They're the ones who are making the silly point. They can continue to devolve. Don't separate suddenly!

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And not even that. You'd punish the entirety of the U.K that trades with Scotland just to prove that Scotland should never have left the U.K

Dude when you start working maybe you'll appreciate what people do for a living ... despite governments...

Scots would cause every one of these issues by voting Yes in order to get one over the UK/England/the Establishment.

It is their democratic right. We have taken money from Scotland for Aeons. If they decide to go it alone that is their choice and their choice only.

We have taken enough of their wealth. I highly doubt that when they get to keep it all they will fail economically.

(And ok I thought you were calling me a prat)

What, and they received nothing in return? Although it has been unfair due to the Westminster bubble, it does not mean they should split in a sudden and violent manner. They already started to devolve! Continue by all means and when it becomes less risky to split you can do so! And it remains unfair that it is the Scots democratic right for them to fuck over potentially the entire UK, as well as the people trading between them.

It is my democratic right to do all possible to prevent any financial harm reaching me.

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Arun ... really you don't know about how much historically England (has) and does take out of Scotland?

Really mate, you should probably not be commenting on this thread if you are not in possession of the full facts.

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Nobody here is in full possession of the full facts. If you were you could qualify how Scotland will not fail economically as a separate country. You can't sidestep my point on a single sentence hardly related to the discussion.

And anyway what right do you have to keep a Northumbrian, a Scot, an Irish or Corwnwallian person in the U.K?

You think because it hurts your wallet these people must kowtow to your thoughts of Union?

Don't be absurd.

Hardly related? The rebate has been central to Scottish / English relations for hundreds of years. If you won't read up on the subject how can you be expected to be taken seriously?