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Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 04:40:56

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As promised in this forum post (https://www.warzone.com/Forum/543109-please-suggest-templates-clan-wars), two templates will be added to the rotation used in Clan Wars. These templates will be chosen by a vote over the next two weeks. The voting process will be similar to that we have been using to decide the Seasonal Ladder templates, but there will be some notable differences.

Eligibility:
Anyone who has played at least one game in Clan Wars is eligible to vote.

Deadline:
Voting will close on Friday, May 21st.

Templates up for Vote:
  • Battle Islands V
  • Biomes of America
  • French Brawl
  • Guiroma
  • Strat ME
  • Strategic Greece
  • Volcano Island
These templates were selected using the MTL template survey conducted by Rento (https://www.warzone.com/Forum/515946-mtl-templates-survey-results). These are 7 of the 9 most popular templates on the MTL (http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/) - the other two were Strat MME which is already a Clan Wars template, and Elitist Africa which was excluded since another INSS template (Biomes of America rated as more popular in that survey).

Voting System:
Unlike the Seasonal Template votes which were counted using the Dowdall system, Clan War template votes will be counted using Single Transferable Vote (STV), which you can read about here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote. The implementation here (https://github.com/louridas/stv) will be used to count the votes.

How to Vote:
All votes will be made public after the voting closes.
Votes can be submitted by sending a Warzone Mail to this account. Do not edit your message after the deadline or it may be ignored. In addition, please include in your mail one Clan Wars season you have played in.

I hope you all vote before Friday, May 21st, and get us two more templates for Clan Wars!

Example Vote:
Subject: Clan Wars Template Vote

Volcano Island
Strategic Greece
Strat ME
Guiroma
French Brawl
Biomes of America
Battle Islands V

Clan Wars Season 1


Edited 5/14/2021 04:43:53
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 04:42:10


Rick Sanchez 
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vote for boa and sg people!
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 04:47:04

Zev 
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1) guiroma baby
2) battle island
clan war season 1 and 2

Edited 5/14/2021 04:49:01
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 06:22:15


Timinator • apex 
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Votes can be submitted by sending a Warzone Mail
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 06:39:17


Loxiiv 
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should I send one to Marcus Aurelius too just in case?
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 06:50:56


hedja 
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Only if you ask him a fun question Loxiiv
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 06:54:43


Loxiiv 
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should the fun question also be in the vote or not
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 11:33:51

Rento 
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What will the boot settings be? The QM versions all have 3 min boot + some banked, so I assume we just copy that?
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 11:39:23


JK_3 
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Yeah, I would assume so @Rento
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 12:56:16


Sephiroth
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3v3 Europe
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 13:17:12


καλλιστηι
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No Siege LD?
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 17:56:10


Marcus Aurelius
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<3

Edited 5/14/2021 18:40:11
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 18:05:40


Kenny • apex 
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No team games..?
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 19:44:17


allusernamesaretaken12
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More templates could've been added than just 2. If Fizzer is concerned about too many additional templates confusing new players, then all he has to do is add a "suggested for beginners" tag to the pre-existing templates.
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 19:46:08


JK_3 
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+1 to usernames idea

if that isnt enough, he could even but a "has feature unlocked" prereq on the non-default templates, which would prevent any unexperienced account from joining them
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 19:55:08


l4v.r0v 
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+1 allusernamesaretaken12

Out of curiosity, to the people who participated in CW Season 2:
1. How fun was it for you? Did it get less or more fun as the season went on?
2. What did you find fun about it? What was less fun?

I have my priors but want to see if others feel the same way as me... in my experience, at least, 2 good templates added to CW (possibly with not-great boot settings) might not be enough to block burnout. For me, CW feels like an obligation (due to the 40-cap, if I take a slot, I'd better play regularly or I'm hurting my clan; it becomes a small chore) and it's just easy to burn out when there's only 3 templates in it that I love playing on (SEAD, SE1W, Strat MME) and the matchmaking only really gives good opponents to players whose skill level is close to their clan's average (I got mostly players who were far below my level, and a few that were far above; I think I had maybe 2 opponents that were around my skill level and kept the game exciting). If the rotation were more interesting (e.g., it had more MTL templates... sort of like how the MTL has more MTL templates), that would stave off burnout for longer. Part of me suspects the format itself, with the 40-cap, creates this uphill battle against burnout. But I want to see what other players' experiences have been like, because I might be totally wrong.

Classic is really fun and rewarding to play- on ladders, on the MTL, in QM, just not so much on CW. But I guess if CW is kept very beginner-friendly, then the supply of new players will make up for the players who lose interest.

Also, why isn't this thread highlighted? Seems like people must be forgetting to upvote it.

Edited 5/14/2021 19:57:55
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 20:34:43


Master Ryiro 
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Battle Islands V
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 20:42:22


JK_3 
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@lavrov:

I didnt really like it at the end anymore. TLA's position was pretty much know halfway during the season, and it felt like a chore to keep playing to keep that position.

At the end, it got a bit more exiting since Python didnt keep up, so we just managed to overtake them.

The new season is pretty exiting to start with, but im afraid the new season will quickly have a fixed top 5 already and it goes back to being a chore.
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 20:47:12


l4v.r0v 
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the new season will quickly have a fixed top 5 already and it goes back to being a chore.

Season 3 will be shorter (smaller map, 20 win limit for territories). Plus we'll get these new templates added in the middle.
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/14/2021 20:50:13


JK_3 
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sure, but out of the 6 clans that already got a terr now, only LuFredd is a clan i didnt expect there to show up.
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/15/2021 07:24:28


WoodLore
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Likewise, I found it getting tedious midway through the season. The same, dull templates, the astronomical number of wins needed for a territory (wont apply so much for clans with full 40 slots) and general feeling of monotony.

There really has to be a break between seasons to prevent this burnout or the decline will come quicker than expected. Furthermore, I think a time scale would work far better than the map. I'd like to see participation figures during the latter half of last season out of interest. Some timeslits had zero strategic templates and clocked around 13 participants.

I'll play a few this season if I'm on at the right time. However, unlike previously, I'll no longer be actively logging in to play a CW game.
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/18/2021 16:35:53


ChrisCMU 
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This post is not clear. Am I supposed to rank all of them? Only list the ones I want?
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/18/2021 16:51:08


l4v.r0v 
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In STV it's more or less your choice. If you want to maximize your voting power, you should rank all of them. But you can also cast a valid vote that doesn't rank all the templates (e.g., just voting for Guiroma) unless Beren for some idiosyncratic reason has decided that you can't.

The implementation in https://github.com/louridas/stv/blob/master/stv.py (see line 143) looks like it can handle different-length ballots just fine.

Edited 5/18/2021 16:51:46
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/21/2021 15:51:55


Beren Erchamion 
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Today is the last day to vote.
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/22/2021 18:40:17

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Voting is closed. Results will be posted soon.
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/22/2021 20:04:19

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A big thanks to everyone who voted. We used the Single Transferable Vote system to resolve votes as implemented here: https://github.com/louridas/stv.

The two new Clan Wars templates will be French Brawl and Guiroma.

If your vote appears to have been counted incorrectly or if it wasn't counted and you think it should have been, please let us know by posting in this thread in the next 24 hours. You can view all the votes here: https://tinyurl.com/syvcapp4

The way the STV algorithm works, it uses randomness to break ties during the elimination step. I was hoping we wouldn't encounter any ties, but we did encounter one (or two depending on the branch). In any case, all three branches produce the same results.

Eliminate Strat ME then Strategic Greece branch

clanwars@warlight:~$ python stv.py -s 2 -b votes-as-ballot-box.csv
^THRESHOLD 20
@ROUND 1
.COUNT French Brawl = 15;Strat ME = 6;Guiroma = 8;Strategic Greece = 7;Battle Islands V = 6;Volcano Island = 2;Biomes of America = 14; = 0
-ELIMINATE  = 0
@ROUND 2
.COUNT French Brawl = 15;Strat ME = 6;Guiroma = 8;Strategic Greece = 7;Battle Islands V = 6;Volcano Island = 2;Biomes of America = 14
-ELIMINATE Volcano Island = 2
@ROUND 3
.COUNT French Brawl = 15;Strat ME = 6;Guiroma = 10.0;Strategic Greece = 7;Battle Islands V = 6;Biomes of America = 14
*RANDOM Strat ME from ['Battle Islands V', 'Strat ME'] to -ELIMINATE
-ELIMINATE Strat ME = 6
@ROUND 4
.COUNT French Brawl = 17.0;Guiroma = 12.0;Strategic Greece = 7;Battle Islands V = 7.0;Biomes of America = 15.0
*RANDOM Strategic Greece from ['Battle Islands V', 'Strategic Greece'] to -ELIMINATE
-ELIMINATE Strategic Greece = 7
@ROUND 5
.COUNT French Brawl = 19.0;Guiroma = 14.0;Battle Islands V = 8.0;Biomes of America = 17.0
-ELIMINATE Battle Islands V = 8.0
@ROUND 6
.COUNT French Brawl = 21.0;Guiroma = 19.0;Biomes of America = 18.0
+ELECT French Brawl = 21.0
@ROUND 7
.COUNT Guiroma = 19.5238095238;Biomes of America = 18.3333333333
-ELIMINATE Biomes of America = 18.3333333333
@ROUND 8
.COUNT Guiroma = 36.8571428571
+ELECT Guiroma = 36.8571428571
Results:
('French Brawl', 6, 21.0)
('Guiroma', 8, 36.857142857142875)


Eliminate Strat ME then Battle Islands V branch

clanwars@warlight:~$ python stv.py -s 2 -b votes-as-ballot-box.csv
^THRESHOLD 20
@ROUND 1
.COUNT French Brawl = 15;Strat ME = 6;Guiroma = 8;Strategic Greece = 7;Battle Islands V = 6;Volcano Island = 2;Biomes of America = 14; = 0
-ELIMINATE  = 0
@ROUND 2
.COUNT French Brawl = 15;Strat ME = 6;Guiroma = 8;Strategic Greece = 7;Battle Islands V = 6;Volcano Island = 2;Biomes of America = 14
-ELIMINATE Volcano Island = 2
@ROUND 3
.COUNT French Brawl = 15;Strat ME = 6;Guiroma = 10.0;Strategic Greece = 7;Battle Islands V = 6;Biomes of America = 14
*RANDOM Strat ME from ['Battle Islands V', 'Strat ME'] to -ELIMINATE
-ELIMINATE Strat ME = 6
@ROUND 4
.COUNT French Brawl = 17.0;Guiroma = 12.0;Strategic Greece = 7;Battle Islands V = 7.0;Biomes of America = 15.0
*RANDOM Battle Islands V from ['Battle Islands V', 'Strategic Greece'] to -ELIMINATE
-ELIMINATE Battle Islands V = 7.0
@ROUND 5
.COUNT French Brawl = 18.0;Guiroma = 16.0;Strategic Greece = 9.0;Biomes of America = 15.0
-ELIMINATE Strategic Greece = 9.0
@ROUND 6
.COUNT French Brawl = 21.0;Guiroma = 19.0;Biomes of America = 18.0
+ELECT French Brawl = 21.0
@ROUND 7
.COUNT Guiroma = 19.5238095238;Biomes of America = 18.3333333333
-ELIMINATE Biomes of America = 18.3333333333
@ROUND 8
.COUNT Guiroma = 36.8571428571
+ELECT Guiroma = 36.8571428571
Results:
('French Brawl', 6, 21.0)
('Guiroma', 8, 36.857142857142875)

Eliminate Battle Islands V branch

clanwars@warlight:~$ python stv.py -s 2 -b votes-as-ballot-box.csv
^THRESHOLD 20
@ROUND 1
.COUNT French Brawl = 15;Strat ME = 6;Guiroma = 8;Strategic Greece = 7;Battle Islands V = 6;Volcano Island = 2;Biomes of America = 14; = 0
-ELIMINATE  = 0
@ROUND 2
.COUNT French Brawl = 15;Strat ME = 6;Guiroma = 8;Strategic Greece = 7;Battle Islands V = 6;Volcano Island = 2;Biomes of America = 14
-ELIMINATE Volcano Island = 2
@ROUND 3
.COUNT French Brawl = 15;Strat ME = 6;Guiroma = 10.0;Strategic Greece = 7;Battle Islands V = 6;Biomes of America = 14
*RANDOM Battle Islands V from ['Battle Islands V', 'Strat ME'] to -ELIMINATE
-ELIMINATE Battle Islands V = 6
@ROUND 4
.COUNT French Brawl = 16.0;Strat ME = 7.0;Guiroma = 13.0;Strategic Greece = 8.0;Biomes of America = 14
-ELIMINATE Strat ME = 7.0
@ROUND 5
.COUNT French Brawl = 18.0;Guiroma = 16.0;Strategic Greece = 9.0;Biomes of America = 15.0
-ELIMINATE Strategic Greece = 9.0
@ROUND 6
.COUNT French Brawl = 21.0;Guiroma = 19.0;Biomes of America = 18.0
+ELECT French Brawl = 21.0
@ROUND 7
.COUNT Guiroma = 19.5238095238;Biomes of America = 18.3333333333
-ELIMINATE Biomes of America = 18.3333333333
@ROUND 8
.COUNT Guiroma = 36.8571428571
+ELECT Guiroma = 36.8571428571
Results:
('French Brawl', 6, 21.0)
('Guiroma', 8, 36.857142857142875)


Edited 5/22/2021 22:28:09
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/22/2021 20:32:08


l4v.r0v 
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Nicely done! Thanks for the high degree of transparency around the voting!
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/22/2021 22:29:50

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It has come to my attention that I accidentally counted one player's votes twice. I have fixed the count and re-run the algorithm. Nothing has changed about the outcome; the same three branches exist, and the same templates win.
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/23/2021 13:29:13


Johnny Silverhand 
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> Eliminate Strat ME then Strategic Greece branch
etc.

Where are these branch names coming from when Volcano Islands was the first to be eliminated every time?
Vote for New Clan War Templates!: 5/24/2021 01:41:03


Beren Erchamion 
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The branches come from the random choices. Look for the token *RANDOM in the log.
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