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Fizzer: the administration: 3/26/2021 20:45:32

Fizzer 
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What are these additional rules, exactly?

Common sense things, like launching denial-of-service attacks, or using someone else's account without their permission.

Warzone has been fine with players having multiple accounts on the same team in the 3v3 ladder, for example. Today it's unclear, with the rewording, whether that's still acceptable

Same team is OK. The previous rules said "don't use multiple accounts in a way that gives you an advantage". The main idea behind the re-word is to make "an advantage" more clear and less open to interpretation. I've had people try to claim they didn't get an advantage by multi-accounting in a ladder or tournament since they didn't happen to play themselves. But that's not acceptable, since the point of the rule is that they could have played themselves so it's still against the rules.

joking on someone's clan thread (that you have rapport with)

Insulting someone in public is never allowed. Calling it a "joke" doesn't make it any better. You can say you have rapport, that they knew it was a joke, that they weren't offended, and that you're both OK with the insult. The problem is that you posted it in public. Therefore, anyone can view it, and the majority of people viewing it won't know about your rapport. They don't know about this private relationship that you have with the recipiant. All the public will see is hateful and mean things being said between two players, and if that is allowed to persist then this gives onlookers the impression that this is normal and expected and acceptable behavior on Warzone, which it isn't.

If you send them this in a private mail thread and they don't report you, then it's fine, since it's just private between you and them. In public you're always expected to follow the Warzone rules.

What is "excessive" profanity, exactly?

You'll know it if you see it. If every other word is profanity, for example.

Kenghis Ghan got a warning for using "WTF."

That is a lie -- I just looked through his report history to confirm, and there's nothing even close to that, and I've never been aware of anyone ever getting warned for something so minor. I don't discuss a specific player's reports publicly, but in other people's cases I've seen people lie about why they were warned before. People will often lie about why they were warned/suspended. Just like in prison "everyone is innocent", some people don't like owning up to their bad behavior and will deny deny deny.
Fizzer: the administration: 3/26/2021 20:48:30


l4v.r0v 
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Thank you for your response and for clarifying the rules I asked you to clarify. I really appreciate it!

I do not know whether Kenghis Ghan got warned on his main or on another account. Is there a way for you to search for this warning text?:


Other than that, I think you've responded to most everything minor/immediate I asked for, so I really really appreciate it.
Fizzer: the administration: 3/26/2021 20:49:25


Trashcant
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Say I swear every other OTHER word, where would I be in terms of trouble?
Fizzer: the administration: 3/26/2021 20:51:36


JK_3 
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Say I swear every other OTHER word, where would I be in terms of trouble?


Probably suspended, but you already used 14 normal words, so you would need to use 14 swearwords in a row next to get a free dose of trouble!
Fizzer: the administration: 3/26/2021 21:20:29

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That is a real warning screenshot but A: It's cropped -- there was a lot more text below it that you can't see. And B: It's written by a moderator who lost their mod powers a long time ago.
Fizzer: the administration: 3/26/2021 21:41:11


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Thanks for your time reading this thread and responding to it; I'm following up with Kenghis on Discord to get more context on that warning. I believe the rules are much clearer now for those who were previously frustrated by surprise warnings, suspensions, and bans, and for those who had asked about the change to the multi-account rule.
Fizzer: the administration: 3/26/2021 22:48:30


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Edited 3/28/2021 21:18:57
- downvoted post by Bobby
Fizzer: the administration: 3/27/2021 00:07:59


Жұқтыру
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That never happened. The only time I ever set a level requirement of a map was when levels were first introduced. I'm not sure if this map was one of the ones that got set but that wouldn't have been changing "from 5" since no levels even existed before that.


Going full serious-boring mode here:

I don't think that's what happened (though I'm not a big appreciator of that either). I clearly remember a public forum thread asking why the level was raised a long time (maybe a year) after the mapmaker was last seen and me offering to host it for them and discussing this issue further with other people. I very much doubt I hallucinated it. I even remember posting screenshots of the PM thread but I don't know how to search my cluttered spammed mailbox now. But perhaps Fizz forgot as is likely with big F's other claim of calling me a liar.

he also said around the same time he was working on a feature to let players join mid game


This one is a lot less attested and a lot harder to verify. I give this one only a 75% chance that I remembered correctly, but it was in a noncommittal offhand comment on a stream that Fizz hosted which is why Fizzer forgot it.

Edit: found the screencap https://i.snag.gy/SxdZ8I.jpg.

And from there it's easy to find the smoking gun. https://www.warzone.com/Forum/141774-modern-europe-. Unfortunately (actually fortunately he's a good guy and mapmaker) the mapmaker was last seen 1h30m ago, so there's no ultraconcrete proof. But those who know Srechko know he wasn't around in 2016, he was retired.

Edited 3/27/2021 00:22:51
Fizzer: the administration: 3/27/2021 00:51:07

Bobby
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Why was my post downvoted fizzer?
Fizzer: the administration: 3/27/2021 01:42:20


⚙️t⚙️m⚙️t⚙️n
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Imo it's best to let things be. This thread has achieved about as much as you can expect it to achieve- rule clarifications. If you press on stuff like the map or the details of some warnings or inaccurate statements or the pattern of selective response, then you will only escalate the conflict and contribute to the miscommunication problem on this site that results in constructive feedback getting persistently misinterpreted as personal criticism.

If you're going to keep this thread alive, consider what your objectives are and whether your actions are going to get us any closer to achieving them. Meanwhile, if you were confused by the pattern of moderation on this site, Fizzer has given us more than plenty to come up with better predictive mental models of what will and will not get you warned, suspended, or banned. If you're just an ordinary player using this site in good faith, then imo you have more than enough to go off of to avoid adverse moderator interactions (outside rogue mod scenarios like the well-documented DanWL/KG case, but those seem to get eventually resolved too).

Unless you've got something concrete to achieve or to say, best to just let this thread die.
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