I think that is a very valid point. WG does the same (we use everybody that wants to play). Andersault and Gnull are semi retired and elected not to play, and Nich was not in our clan at the time. Here is the GG breakdown:

4 - FlyingBender
3 - Julkorn
2 - Michael, Braak
1 - MG, Ctrl Alt Delete, orinocoflows, DUT©H DESI®E, JV, The GasLamp Killer, Ottarinn


Here is ours (Verzehrer's first clan league with us):

3 - Summer, marc, Ineffable, Mirror, Tenshi
2 - Chris
1 - Verzehrer

You obviously go deeper than us, but you have more members to use (we used all ours). And nobody is playing max games for us either.



Looking at other clans in A...

Frank and grona play 4 games for apex. Miyagi plays 4 for Master. Good Kid, Darkpie, 76myth play 4 for 101st.

All the rest are pretty spread out. So really only apex and 101st top loaded their teams. Apex probably had to (they have some semi retired people as well and are not a big clan.

Edited 8/20/2014 23:44:56

Tier 7:

LEA - Killing the clan page without even trying
MaxTroll - Still sucking it :p
Vitrix - Nice improvement
VIW - Always near the top, good job fellows

You no know nothing! Gui give me account book. Here is what say.

Clan Average (top 8 players)

20

Odin 1v1 = 8, 2v2 = 8, 3v3 = 7, Average = 7.67
Sze 9, 7.5, 8.5, Average = 8.33
GS 6.5, 7.5, 7, Average = 7
Otto 8, 8, 7.5, Average = 7.67
Ribe 6.5, 7.5, 8, Average = 7.33
Psy 6.5, 7.5, 7, Average = 7
myhand 8.5, 8, 8.5, Average = 8.33

Clan Average = 52.84/8 = 6.61 (7.50 with Fridge)

Apex

Timi 9, 8.5, 7.5, Average = 8.33
dead 7.5, 7.5, 7.5, Average = 7.5
widi 7, 7, 6, Average = 6.67
Frank 7, 7.5, 7, Average = 7.17
grona 7.5, 7, 7, Average = 7.17
brisk 8.5, 8, 7, Average = 7.83
luxis 8, 8, 7, Average = 7.67
lol 5.5, 5.5, 5.5, Average = 5.5

Clan Average = 57.84/8 = 7.23 (8.23 if replace lol and play all games Medium Earth)

WM

pot 7.5, 7.5, 7, Average = 7.33
Arlec 7.5, 7.5, 6, Average = 7
balls 7, 7, 6, Average = 6.67
Latnox 7.5, 7.5, 6, Average = 7
Falk 7, 7, 7, Average = 7
Gnuf 8, 8, 8.5, Average = 8.17
Marquis 9, 9, 9, Average = 9
Fridge 6.5, 7.5, 7.5, Average = 7.17

Clan Average = 59.17/8 = 7.40

WG

Sum 8, 8, 7, Average = 7.67
Tenshi 6, 5.5, 5.5, Average = 5.67
nich 7.5, 7, 6, Average = 6.83
Mirror 7, 7.5, 6, Average = 6.83
Chris 5.5, 5.5, 5.5, Average = 5.5
marc 7, 6.5, 6, Average = 6.5
ineff 7, 7, 6.5, Average = 6.67
Verz 7, 6.5, 5.5, Average = 6.33

Clan Average = 52/8 = 6.5 (7.5 if all games Medium Earth and replace chris)

Gui's Top 4 Clans

1. WM 7.40
2. Apex 7.23
3. 20 6.61
4. WG 6.5

Edited 8/21/2014 04:31:53

That proves you know nothing about me. Rating my 1v1 skill the same as my team play is plain stupid. I am probably the worst solo player on this list (as you correctly rated me) but i consider myself a better team player than a decent amount of these people.

Edited 8/21/2014 03:22:46

Chris, its a joke. Look at Marquis' ratings compared to Gnuffone's.

You really good? Gui's book say u stink like rot fish..

Gnuf = Clark Kent. Marquis = super Gnuf. No joke.

Don't hate message. Look on mirror.

Edited 8/21/2014 03:59:25

and 20's average lower than lowest of players ;p

Average = best 8. 20 only 7. You play WM on clan legue. If u no not see obvious u be better. 加油

Edited 8/21/2014 04:46:57

F Comm. and Warlighters being ranked below clans they are beating solidly in clan league

lol

I like the rating system.. I may not be in position to rate the players, but in my opinion:

1v1  2v2  3v3  all
___________________________________________

61   62.5 63.5 195 	[20] 
7.63 7.81 7.94 8.125

8    8    7    7.67	Odin		
6.5  7.5  8    7.33 	Fridge		
8    8    7.5  7.83 	Fatih		
9    7.5  9    8.5 	szeweningen	
6.5  7.5  8    7.33 	Ribena		
6.5  7.5  7.5  7.17 	☨ SaucyPsy	
7.5  8.5  8    8 	Gangnam Style	
9    8    8.5  8.5 	myhandisonfire	
___________________________________________

58.5 58.5 59.5 176.5      [WM]
7.31 7.31 7.44 7.354

7    7    7    7 	Potato 		
7.5  7    7    7.17 	Arlecchino 	
7.5  7.5  6.5  7.17 	his balls. 	
7.5  7.5  7.5  7.5 	Latnox 	
7.5  7    7    7.17 	[WM] Old Surehand 	
7    7    7.5  7.17 	Falker 	
8    8    9    8.33 	[WM] Gnuffone 
6.5  7.5  8    7.33 	Fridge	
___________________________________________

63.5 57.5 54.5 175.5    Apex
7.94 7.19 6.81 7.313

9    8    8    8.33 	Timinator 	
9    7.5  7.5  8 	dead piggy 	
7.5  7    6    6.83 	Widzisz • apex 
7    7.5  7.5  7.33 	Frankdeslimste • apex 	
8.5  7    6.5  7.33 	grona • apex 	
6    5.5  5.5  5.67 	Lolowut • apex 	
8    7.5  7    7.5 	brisk • apex 	
8.5  7.5  6.5  7.5 	Luxis • apex 	
___________________________________________

57.5 55.5 52.5 165.5    WG
7.19 6.94 6.56 6.896

8.5  8.5  6.5  7.83 	Summer 	
7.5  6.5  6    6.5 	Tenshi 	
7.5  7    6    6.83 	nich 	
7    7    6    6.67 	Mirror 	
6    6.5  6.5  6.33 	ChrisCMU 	
7    6.5  7    6.83 	marc2013 	
7    7    7    7 	Ineffable 	
7    6.5  6.5  6.33 	Verzehrer 	

Fridge's Top 4 Clans based on individual ratings of their top8 players:

1. [20] 8.125
2. [WM] 7.354
3. Apex 7.313
4. [WG] 6.896

To be honest, I'm very surprised i rate WG's players so low, while at the same time i feel WG is much much closer to the other 3 clans and not necessarily 4th. I think i underestimate individual players from WG because we rarely play games together.

@fridge can i ask if 1v1 is based 1v1 ladder performance, same for 2v2, 3v3 based on eu 3v3?
Or is meant to be overall skill?

5.5 isn't an even number. I'm sad.

@Chris Like i said, your clan has little compared to the others. I looked at the seasonal ratings since last rankings update, and Tenshi got 4th two seasons ago, which is impressive, but you'll also find GG got 3rd. 2nd on clan league is also impressive but I think winning a seasonal is more prestigious.

The clans at the top are all quite similarly skilled and it could really depend on each player's views, which I tried to illustrate using the proximity of the ratings.

@Tactical Incursion: I'm afraid I don't know some clans well enough to make ratings about it. It could be unfair to both unrranked and ranked if i play it this way. Try joining the clan league with your clan. OR You could ask JSA for things like these, he has some magical power that can detect how good you are without playing and is known for his unbiased, fair and objective opinions. ;)

Gnuff - I simply JSA'd the numbers.. And based everything on my whim and purely subjective opinion, sometimes accurate, sometimes not.. sometimes based on ladder sometimes on random templates i managed to play with the people or see them play..

@Lolowut:
You got last place because you don't know how the game works. You need to form sustainable alliances with other players and then tell the world how pro your companions are and in return they will tell the same stuff about you. A pat on the back for a pat on the back. Also keep claiming you are the best helps a lot. Just keep repeating and people will finally believe.

In other words: Those lists are incredibly stupid. You wanna find out which clan is the best? Well then make something like a clan league... Wait, there already is one... ah, I see... WG won but WG can't be any good so yeah... keep making those lists since they reflect reality better than objective results. Also SaucyPsy has to be a great 1v1 player. I wonder if anybody here ever saw him play a 1v1 game but since he is in 20 he has to be good.

I can safety say this list is pretty accurate.
Clan League isn t always the most accurate rating system.
About psy, i remember i played him from an alt, and he was ok i believe.

Oh look the August update. I can see it changed a lot since the last thread. I think we should have more of these you know. Perhaps weekly...

cant have jsa monopolize the list making industry.

I think fridge is right about it being hard to rate people you don't play with really. The other problem is if you don't play with the person on teams, how do you know their contributions to team games? You cannot see the team chat so you have no idea who is saying what.

even if you play them, it takes a lot of games to know whether the player is ..capable.. of better team interaction but silent/ playing for fun, or a player is bad and doesnt see misplays etc...