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Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/20/2014 15:51:58

Pulsey
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A bit more than a month since the last one, the last one hadcategorieswhich were rather ambiguous and hard to classify. I decided to come up with ratings instead. They took 3 seconds and involved no calculation, and are more to illustrate my perceived level of difference between every clan.

I took into account ladder stats and games, WGLs and stuff since last time, and also some comments. Credits to Wakanarai for teaching me the thread formatting.

Clan       Score 

20          1.00 
Apex        0.93
WM          0.92
GG          0.90
WG          0.89
Lynx        0.81

AHOL 0.79 Master 0.72 XS 0.70
ID 0.69 Blitz 0.65 VIW 0.63 XCD 0.61 French 0.61 W-Lighter 0.60
101st 0.52 BR 0.51 G Spot 0.51 REGL 0.50 Gladiator 0.50 Turtle 0.48 S Ninja 0.45
Swirve 0.35 Ohms 0.30


Edited 8/20/2014 16:38:49
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/20/2014 15:59:29

Pulsey
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Top tier attracts most interest and debate, here are my reasons. 20 remains best clan with best average player. Apex leads clan league and takes in one or two new members. WM dominates RT ladder. GG wins Seasonal. WG has few recent ladder achievements except Summer leading 2v2 ladder and also is 2nd on clan league. Lynx got a #1 and has taken in some new good recruits. AHOL also goes up after a string of #1s.
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/20/2014 17:43:01


ChrisCMU 
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Yeah, WG hasn't been super active on 1v1 ladder. But Tenshi has been rolling in Seasonal ladders lately. How are you factoring in the last clan league?

Also, I think you should factor in the WSOW as well:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Arn0ahIN9qcsdFVFVVoyajlud3BoNkJoUWZfR3RFMkE&outpu

Edited 8/20/2014 17:46:44
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/20/2014 18:02:59


Master Potato
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not a bad list
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/20/2014 20:32:31


Bananashake 
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Ohms should at least have 0.31
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/20/2014 20:50:22


ChrisCMU 
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I don't understand your tier's (AHol is closer to Lynx in score than Master). If they are simply based on scores, it should be like this:

Clan       Score 

20          1.00
 
Apex        0.93
WM          0.92
GG          0.90
WG          0.89

Lynx        0.81
AHOL        0.79

Master      0.72
XS          0.70
ID          0.69

Blitz       0.65
VIW         0.63
XCD         0.61
French      0.61
W-Lighter   0.60

101st       0.52
BR          0.51
G Spot      0.51
REGL        0.50
Gladiator   0.50
Turtle      0.48
S Ninja     0.45

Swirve      0.35 
Ohms        0.30
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/20/2014 21:01:06


[WM] แต€แดดแดฑ๐“•๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ 
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Edited 8/21/2014 12:17:48
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/20/2014 21:29:14


Tac(ky)tical
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Y'all missed a lot of clans. Just doing a certain number or only certain clans?
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/20/2014 22:16:03

JSA 
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Now the true list (no rating numbers, just tiers):

Tier 1:
1. 20

Tier 2:
2. Apex
3. WM
4. WG

Tier 3:
5. GG
6. Lynx

Tier 4:
7. Master
8. AHOL

Tier 5:
9. French
10. ID
11. Blitz
12. VIW
13. Warlighters
14. XS
15. BIA
16. XCD

Tier 6:
17. 101st
18. G Spot
19. Gladiators
20. REGL
21. Turtles
22. BR
23. Sninja

24. Swirve
25. Ohms

20 is still the best. All 8 in the clan are arguably 8 of the best 20, which makes it easy for them to secure #1. Apex/WM/WG are still very close, but with the addition of Timinator, Apex has pulled ahead of the other two. WG does well in the clan competitions typically but lacks the amount of great all around players that Apex and WM have. GG can't compete with the top 4. Check out the clan league. GG is far behind Apex and WG, and even behind WM without Gnuffone. Also, GG has a lack of great players. Lynx falls slightly behind GG right now. Both clans are relatively equal on 1v1 I believe, but GG>Lynx at team games currently. Master is a clan that is on the rise, but not yet at the level of the Tier 3 clans. AHOL has had 2 #1's lately, but one stalled, and the other dropped down to a much lower rating soon after, so I can't put them in front of Master. The biggest thing for both of these clans is that GG would dominate both of them in team games, and Lynx is better at team games as well. After Tier 4, the overall skill level drops down tremendously. Tier 5 clans (ranks 9-16 are tough to differentiate between). Same with Tier 6. Tier 7, i have no idea about either clan, just wanted to get 25 clans :)
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/20/2014 22:55:31


Angry Beavers
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i think ppl forget GG plays the clan league with as much ppl as possible at this point 4-5 ppl more then some other clans. if they only play with their best 6-7 players they would have had more points and i think they would be above WM. also i think the best 6 of GG are better then then top 6 of lynx, in 1v1 and team games too ( dont wanna challenge lynx lol). But i noone of GG ever said anything about this so i thought i will give my thought. i think Apex WG and 20 are the top 3 clans at this moment with all great players in it although WG has some weaker players then 20 and Apex. so my list would be

1,2 :apex, 20

3: WG
4: GG
5: WM
6: lynx/Ahol/Master
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/20/2014 23:44:46


ChrisCMU 
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I think that is a very valid point. WG does the same (we use everybody that wants to play). Andersault and Gnull are semi retired and elected not to play, and Nich was not in our clan at the time. Here is the GG breakdown:

4 - FlyingBender
3 - Julkorn
2 - Michael, Braak
1 - MG, Ctrl Alt Delete, orinocoflows, DUT©H DESI®E, JV, The GasLamp Killer, Ottarinn


Here is ours (Verzehrer's first clan league with us):

3 - Summer, marc, Ineffable, Mirror, Tenshi
2 - Chris
1 - Verzehrer

You obviously go deeper than us, but you have more members to use (we used all ours). And nobody is playing max games for us either.



Looking at other clans in A...

Frank and grona play 4 games for apex. Miyagi plays 4 for Master. Good Kid, Darkpie, 76myth play 4 for 101st.

All the rest are pretty spread out. So really only apex and 101st top loaded their teams. Apex probably had to (they have some semi retired people as well and are not a big clan.

Edited 8/20/2014 23:44:56
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 00:54:35


The National Socialist
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Tier 7:
LEA - Killing the clan page without even trying
MaxTroll - Still sucking it :p
Vitrix - Nice improvement
VIW - Always near the top, good job fellows
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 01:47:21


Gui's Secretary
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You no know nothing! Gui give me account book. Here is what say.

Clan Average (top 8 players)

20

Odin 1v1 = 8, 2v2 = 8, 3v3 = 7, Average = 7.67
Sze 9, 7.5, 8.5, Average = 8.33
GS 6.5, 7.5, 7, Average = 7
Otto 8, 8, 7.5, Average = 7.67
Ribe 6.5, 7.5, 8, Average = 7.33
Psy 6.5, 7.5, 7, Average = 7
myhand 8.5, 8, 8.5, Average = 8.33

Clan Average = 52.84/8 = 6.61 (7.50 with Fridge)

Apex

Timi 9, 8.5, 7.5, Average = 8.33
dead 7.5, 7.5, 7.5, Average = 7.5
widi 7, 7, 6, Average = 6.67
Frank 7, 7.5, 7, Average = 7.17
grona 7.5, 7, 7, Average = 7.17
brisk 8.5, 8, 7, Average = 7.83
luxis 8, 8, 7, Average = 7.67
lol 5.5, 5.5, 5.5, Average = 5.5

Clan Average = 57.84/8 = 7.23 (8.23 if replace lol and play all games Medium Earth)

WM

pot 7.5, 7.5, 7, Average = 7.33
Arlec 7.5, 7.5, 6, Average = 7
balls 7, 7, 6, Average = 6.67
Latnox 7.5, 7.5, 6, Average = 7
Falk 7, 7, 7, Average = 7
Gnuf 8, 8, 8.5, Average = 8.17
Marquis 9, 9, 9, Average = 9
Fridge 6.5, 7.5, 7.5, Average = 7.17

Clan Average = 59.17/8 = 7.40

WG

Sum 8, 8, 7, Average = 7.67
Tenshi 6, 5.5, 5.5, Average = 5.67
nich 7.5, 7, 6, Average = 6.83
Mirror 7, 7.5, 6, Average = 6.83
Chris 5.5, 5.5, 5.5, Average = 5.5
marc 7, 6.5, 6, Average = 6.5
ineff 7, 7, 6.5, Average = 6.67
Verz 7, 6.5, 5.5, Average = 6.33

Clan Average = 52/8 = 6.5 (7.5 if all games Medium Earth and replace chris)

Gui's Top 4 Clans

1. WM 7.40
2. Apex 7.23
3. 20 6.61
4. WG 6.5

Edited 8/21/2014 04:31:53
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 03:19:43


ChrisCMU 
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That proves you know nothing about me. Rating my 1v1 skill the same as my team play is plain stupid. I am probably the worst solo player on this list (as you correctly rated me) but i consider myself a better team player than a decent amount of these people.

Edited 8/21/2014 03:22:46
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 03:31:15

JSA 
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Chris, its a joke. Look at Marquis' ratings compared to Gnuffone's.
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 03:56:40


Gui's Secretary
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You really good? Gui's book say u stink like rot fish..

Gnuf = Clark Kent. Marquis = super Gnuf. No joke.

Don't hate message. Look on mirror.

Edited 8/21/2014 03:59:25
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 04:06:17


[WM] แต€แดดแดฑ๐“•๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ 
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and 20's average lower than lowest of players ;p
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 04:16:08


Gui's Secretary
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Average = best 8. 20 only 7. You play WM on clan legue. If u no not see obvious u be better. ๅŠ ๆฒน

Edited 8/21/2014 04:46:57
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 04:25:59


Pushover 
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F Comm. and Warlighters being ranked below clans they are beating solidly in clan league


lol
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 06:59:35


[WM] แต€แดดแดฑ๐“•๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ 
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I like the rating system.. I may not be in position to rate the players, but in my opinion:

1v1  2v2  3v3  all
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61   62.5 63.5 195 	[20] 
7.63 7.81 7.94 8.125

8    8    7    7.67	Odin		
6.5  7.5  8    7.33 	Fridge		
8    8    7.5  7.83 	Fatih		
9    7.5  9    8.5 	szeweningen	
6.5  7.5  8    7.33 	Ribena		
6.5  7.5  7.5  7.17 	โ˜จ SaucyPsy	
7.5  8.5  8    8 	Gangnam Style	
9    8    8.5  8.5 	myhandisonfire	
___________________________________________

58.5 58.5 59.5 176.5      [WM]
7.31 7.31 7.44 7.354

7    7    7    7 	Potato 		
7.5  7    7    7.17 	Arlecchino 	
7.5  7.5  6.5  7.17 	his balls. 	
7.5  7.5  7.5  7.5 	Latnox 	
7.5  7    7    7.17 	[WM] Old Surehand 	
7    7    7.5  7.17 	Falker 	
8    8    9    8.33 	[WM] Gnuffone 
6.5  7.5  8    7.33 	Fridge	
___________________________________________

63.5 57.5 54.5 175.5    Apex
7.94 7.19 6.81 7.313

9    8    8    8.33 	Timinator 	
9    7.5  7.5  8 	dead piggy 	
7.5  7    6    6.83 	Widzisz • apex 
7    7.5  7.5  7.33 	Frankdeslimste • apex 	
8.5  7    6.5  7.33 	grona • apex 	
6    5.5  5.5  5.67 	Lolowut • apex 	
8    7.5  7    7.5 	brisk • apex 	
8.5  7.5  6.5  7.5 	Luxis • apex 	
___________________________________________

57.5 55.5 52.5 165.5    WG
7.19 6.94 6.56 6.896

8.5  8.5  6.5  7.83 	Summer 	
7.5  6.5  6    6.5 	Tenshi 	
7.5  7    6    6.83 	nich 	
7    7    6    6.67 	Mirror 	
6    6.5  6.5  6.33 	ChrisCMU 	
7    6.5  7    6.83 	marc2013 	
7    7    7    7 	Ineffable 	
7    6.5  6.5  6.33 	Verzehrer 	


Fridge's Top 4 Clans based on individual ratings of their top8 players:

1. [20] 8.125
2. [WM] 7.354
3. Apex 7.313
4. [WG] 6.896

To be honest, I'm very surprised i rate WG's players so low, while at the same time i feel WG is much much closer to the other 3 clans and not necessarily 4th. I think i underestimate individual players from WG because we rarely play games together.
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 07:20:43


[WM] Gnuffone 
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@fridge can i ask if 1v1 is based 1v1 ladder performance, same for 2v2, 3v3 based on eu 3v3?
Or is meant to be overall skill?
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 07:49:41


Kenny • apex 
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5.5 isn't an even number. I'm sad.
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 09:06:50

Pulsey
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@Chris Like i said, your clan has little compared to the others. I looked at the seasonal ratings since last rankings update, and Tenshi got 4th two seasons ago, which is impressive, but you'll also find GG got 3rd. 2nd on clan league is also impressive but I think winning a seasonal is more prestigious.

The clans at the top are all quite similarly skilled and it could really depend on each player's views, which I tried to illustrate using the proximity of the ratings.

@Tactical Incursion: I'm afraid I don't know some clans well enough to make ratings about it. It could be unfair to both unrranked and ranked if i play it this way. Try joining the clan league with your clan. OR You could ask JSA for things like these, he has some magical power that can detect how good you are without playing and is known for his unbiased, fair and objective opinions. ;)
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 10:18:12


[WM] แต€แดดแดฑ๐“•๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ 
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Gnuff - I simply JSA'd the numbers.. And based everything on my whim and purely subjective opinion, sometimes accurate, sometimes not.. sometimes based on ladder sometimes on random templates i managed to play with the people or see them play..
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 11:19:10


Norman 
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@Lolowut:
You got last place because you don't know how the game works. You need to form sustainable alliances with other players and then tell the world how pro your companions are and in return they will tell the same stuff about you. A pat on the back for a pat on the back. Also keep claiming you are the best helps a lot. Just keep repeating and people will finally believe.

In other words: Those lists are incredibly stupid. You wanna find out which clan is the best? Well then make something like a clan league... Wait, there already is one... ah, I see... WG won but WG can't be any good so yeah... keep making those lists since they reflect reality better than objective results. Also SaucyPsy has to be a great 1v1 player. I wonder if anybody here ever saw him play a 1v1 game but since he is in 20 he has to be good.
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 11:30:07


[WM] Gnuffone 
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I can safety say this list is pretty accurate.
Clan League isn t always the most accurate rating system.
About psy, i remember i played him from an alt, and he was ok i believe.
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 12:13:19


Mudderducker 
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Oh look the August update. I can see it changed a lot since the last thread. I think we should have more of these you know. Perhaps weekly...
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 12:16:23

Pulsey
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cant have jsa monopolize the list making industry.
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 13:52:54


ChrisCMU 
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I think fridge is right about it being hard to rate people you don't play with really. The other problem is if you don't play with the person on teams, how do you know their contributions to team games? You cannot see the team chat so you have no idea who is saying what.
Pulsey's clan rankings and ratings #3!: 8/21/2014 14:04:36


[WM] แต€แดดแดฑ๐“•๐“ป๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ฐ๐“ฎ 
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even if you play them, it takes a lot of games to know whether the player is ..capable.. of better team interaction but silent/ playing for fun, or a player is bad and doesnt see misplays etc...
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