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Propose No Boot on Turn 1: 12/11/2020 12:03:47


King Crimson
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I would like to see a "No Boot" on Turn 1. Too many use this to cheaply get out of a game when they do not like their starting position. Then everyone votes to end. Either play what you get or surrender. Period. Make it so it is always surrender on turn 1.

It may screw teammates that game but it all comes out even later in other games. Play or do not play. Dont waste people's time.
Propose No Boot on Turn 1: 12/11/2020 12:05:52


Kenghis Ghan 
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You can simply go to https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?Quickmatch=1 and start a new QM game while you wait for your opponent to boot.
Propose No Boot on Turn 1: 12/11/2020 12:06:38


Kenghis Ghan 
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Oh, and you can't vote to end in a QM or coin game, not sure what you mean.
Propose No Boot on Turn 1: 12/11/2020 12:40:02


King Crimson
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lets say 3 on 3. one guy hates starting position and sits there until booted. then turn 2 starts and most people just vote to end the game because one team is down a player. I'm saying they probably purposely booted to avoid surrender on a bad start.

And on the subject of booting I also think that if a player is booted and their teammates win the game the booted player should not get credit for the win. Just had that. Turn 6 guy just sits there and gets booted then me and player 2 win.

I just think if you want to play a game play to the end. Win or lose. And let booting be reserved for connection problems or people who play 10 games at a time and cant remember what they are doing.

Thanks for the post.
Propose No Boot on Turn 1: 12/11/2020 13:23:19


Z 
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The game would never start or end if they refuse to play then.

Blist quitters and move on.
Propose No Boot on Turn 1: 12/11/2020 13:33:53


JK_3 
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I would like to see a "No Boot" on Turn 1. Too many use this to cheaply get out of a game when they do not like their starting position. Then everyone votes to end. Either play what you get or surrender. Period. Make it so it is always surrender on turn 1.
To prevent people from just surrendering during picks if they dont like the game, fizzer made it so that you cannot surrender during picks. As a result of that, people now just wait to get booted.

As for boots turning into surrenders, what would that solve at all?
You can only boot after the time runs out, and then they get kicked. Since both boot and surrender kick someone from a game, I dont see any reason why it would not boot them. A boot is more impactful on a players stats then a surrender. Not kicking slow players to wait for their surrender is not an option either, since it would only make turn 1 last even longer.

I understand that booters in turn 0 or 1 is very annoying, so maybe Fizzer could put a bootrate prereq on QM templates. Those prereqs should be on either only the templates after the 6 default templates, or only the team games or something along those lines, to make sure player can always play a template to get their bootrate down again once they improved their behavior.

Another solution would be to take bootrate into account when matching players, so its high bootrate vs high bootrate (that will teach the player that has to wait how annoying it is to have to wait for some to get booted as well).
Propose No Boot on Turn 1: 12/11/2020 13:40:05


krinid 
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Good suggestions JK.

Simply not allowing turn 1 boots doesn't really solve anything.

It just obscures the problem, which is people finding ways to get out games they don't want to play. Take the next best option away, and what you get is either a turn 2 boot/surrender, or even worse, a game where someone isn't invested in playing and not really trying to win. I don't want to be paired with that player either.

It's better to devise ways to not have those matches in the first place, and I think the recommendation for boot rate prereqs or boot rate partner matching makes sense.
Propose No Boot on Turn 1: 12/11/2020 14:15:51


King Crimson
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Sounds good to me. Maybe we don't need to change the system just because people take advantage of it. But thanks for the forum opportunity to hear my thoughts. I know there is a boot rate stat and you can limit people entering a game by it. Just thinking if there is a simple way to keep them from taking advantage of it that would be cool. I have quite a few players on my block list too because I sit there 5 minutes on turn 1 just to have the game voted to end because they booted themselves.

No complaint here. Just a voice. Thanks for listening.
Propose No Boot on Turn 1: 12/11/2020 19:10:42


Phobos 
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No boots on turn 1 is an awful idea. Player just walks away and game never ends.
Propose No Boot on Turn 1: 12/11/2020 19:13:08


krinid 
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Agree Phobos. Don't think the actual request here was well thought out tbh.

Just make a better system so that people either know what they're getting into so they don't mind to keep playing, or so that they're not able to join stuff they have a track record for not finishing.

1v1's are annoying but at least it's just a free win for someone.

2v2's are downright frustrating, totally ruining the game for a totally innocent partner.
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