Increased AP advancement ROI: 2020-12-08 16:14:43 |
Emperor Matthias IV
Level 55
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It costs 1218 AP. This is very much.
And what is the full cost? I mean, the cost of the 2% increments until the maximum 25%.
Worth it? There are many cheaper more useful advancements. How long does it pay off?
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Increased AP advancement ROI: 2020-12-09 05:28:53 |
Dj Storm
Level 59
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Break even for 5% is 24360 AP. if you purchase the first advancement, you should purchase the next two upgrading to 9%, which has a break even at 19089 AP. From there upgrades return less, upgrading to max has a break even at 30872 AP.
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Increased AP advancement ROI: 2020-12-09 05:38:49 |
Emperor Matthias IV
Level 55
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Thank you very much the information guys.
20-30k AP need for break even? Terribly long ROI then! You have to complete lots and lots of idle levels for that. Months...
So I stopped saving AP for that advancement, and bought the Auto-Upgrade Army Camps. Well, it cost me less than 700 APs and I already earned 1200 APs with it in minutes with a few clicks! What a ROI difference! I think I did a good deal :-)
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Increased AP advancement ROI: 2020-12-09 05:42:38 |
krinid
Level 63
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@DJ Storm
You've oversimplified the math to a point where it's not accurate. 30872 is what the ROI is if you have 7718 AP available right now and spend it all on that AP Adv to max it out before playing anymore maps.
However, for us real folk, you can't just instantly "upgrade to max" (costs 7718 AP) and start earning @ +25% AP. You need to earn 1218 AP, upgrade to 5%, play more maps to earn more AP, upgrade to 7%, play more maps, upgrades to 9%, etc, so you need to ramp up your % returns based on the maps you're playing. Bigger maps that return more AP will get you to higher %'s quicker, but will have thus returned lower bonus AP % compared to a slow step up of completing maps just big enough to get the next upgrade level.
Either of these methods reduces the efficiency and thus extends the amount of AP you need to earn to achieve ROI.
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Increased AP advancement ROI: 2020-12-09 13:28:58 |
TheGreatLeon
Level 61
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That and the baseline is better then you’re giving it credit for - had you put the AP into better army camps or whatever you would be earning AP faster.
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Increased AP advancement ROI: 2020-12-09 19:46:28 |
Dj Storm
Level 59
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Thanks for pointing out my mistake. To fully max out Increased AP, you need 1218 AP to unlock, then 190.48 standard AP (translating to 200 AP at 5% increase), and so on up to 894.31 standard AP (translating to 1100 AP @ 23% increase), for a total of 6806.76 standard AP (7718 accelerated AP). You should ask yourself: should I put the next 6800+ AP in increase AP advancement, or in something else? Unlocking and maxing out Increase draft sizes costs 3405 AP, half of the above amount. True, you will need only 2724 standard AP ( equivalent to 3405 AP @25%), but are you willing to grind through a dozen levels without IDS just to eventually save 680AP in the end? Replaying U.S. gives 840 AP, and IDS saves more time in 10-12 games than you'll waste replaying one. Apply the same thought process to Mercenary Camp sizes, you'll find you'll rather spend AP there. So, I will invest in Increased AP only when there's nothing else better to invest in.
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