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Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/13/2020 17:34:32

JonL
Level 59
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I feel like by the time you get a market for a specific item that item is already easily craftable smeltable so there’s no point in buying anything. Maybe I’m using them wrong?
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/13/2020 17:45:18


Ocean0.1 
Level 59
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I don’t use markets
#BoycottMarkets
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/13/2020 17:59:43


Madkytle
Level 57
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i use markets to pillage them. yeahhh.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/13/2020 18:01:40


TheWillOfTheWild
Level 41
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What's a market?
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/13/2020 18:16:37


Timinator • apex 
Level 66
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On later levels you definetly want to use markets to buy lower tier bars.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/13/2020 18:16:45


Splat 
Level 61
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If you need an item that you can smelt for a tech you need to get, look at what else you need, and switch the ore you're smelting to something you can't buy in the markets, then keep buying the ones you can get. The markets are also useful for quickly getting ingredients for crafted items that you can quickly sell for a massive profit to go towards stocking up more or upgrading your buildings.

Other things to consider:
How quickly can you get each piece by smelting/craft alone? Can you buy the item faster in bulk than waiting for the desired amount to be crafted?
Is there any lack of production forcing you to wait long to get the ingredients than to smelt/craft the item? Can you smelt/craft something quicker to sell at a profit to buy the ingredients needed or upgrade the mine producing the ore for said ingredients?
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/13/2020 18:43:50


hukutka94
Level 35
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I am just using market raid on those when I need a bit of money to get from selling goods, never bought a single item from them.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/14/2020 09:16:03


Grendel 
Level 62
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Definitely use.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/14/2020 09:18:58

TweeKeerJelle
Level 61
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I really changed in one of the last updates. Markets used to be useless, but now with the high craft prices they are really useful. I bought almost all my resources for the Techs in the markets
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/14/2020 14:43:03

graemes
Level 59
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In most situations, and in particular if you rush to a crafter tech earlier than you “should” have it, you will come out ahead by putting every single crafter against the highest priced alloy and filling in any gaps that creates with markets
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/14/2020 14:51:34


krinid 
Level 60
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Tbh, if you're not using markets, you're playing wrong. (;

Seriously though, you can play any way you like, but if you're not using markets, you're likely either not getting all the Techs, not getting as many upgrades as you could be (army camps, now hospitals, mines, buying mercs, etc) or just taking much longer to finish levels.

I can't speak to the earlier levels anymore (they've changed so much since I've played them) but in the later levels there definitely comes a point where you're faced with decisions such as spend 10 hrs to craft a bunch of items OR buy them from the market.

Buying spends money which could be used for upgrades/mercs/etc, but if you're getting Techs for them, it's probably worth it, and sometimes it's worth buying ingredients to craft items that sell for high value.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/14/2020 14:59:11


TungstenTrex
Level 49
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I like to cook, so yeah, I use markets. We got amish places that sell produce cheap.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/16/2020 01:04:51

corzak 
Level 43
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When all (or most) of your Techs are bought, you can turn completely to a highly lucrative 'export' economy. All your smelters and all your crafters are busily working producing the highest value alloys and items.

In such a case it's a waste to tie up a smelter to churn out copper, tin or iron bars or a crafter for copper wire. Much better to buy these in large lots in the market in order to keep the crafters churning.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/16/2020 01:08:26


krinid 
Level 60
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In such a case it's a waste to tie up a smelter to churn out copper, tin or iron bars or a crafter for copper wire. Much better to buy these in large lots in the market in order to keep the crafters churning.


100% agree - and it's actually not only a waste, but detrimental depending on which bars you're smelting b/c some of the later, more precious metals actually require ore of the lesser valued metals. I forget the combos, but I think platinum requires aluminum, and I think gold requires tin (used to be copper, but I believe it changed), etc.

You can buy bars, but you can't buy ore ... so using it to make bars you don't need isn't wise. And copper/tin/iron bars aren't good to sell either since they're worth so little. So save that ore! Buy the bars if you have the money.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/16/2020 02:05:20

Dangermouse 
Level 56
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Maybe it depends on how far along you are. I'm currently on Geopolitics and am almost halfway done. So far I only have one market and it sells copper, tin, iron and copper wire. I have WAY more than enough of each of the ores to need to buy more. My crafters are running constantly and have no issues getting material.

This is true for every level I've played so far. I max the tech tree every level and the problem is never having raw materials for my crafting items, it's always that I don't have enough nickel & lead when my markets only have zinc or worse. Or I need more silicon when the markets only have nickel, etc.

I usually end up selling raw copper, tin and iron because I have so much of it I will never be able to craft it all into anything. Buying these resources from a market would be a negative value for me.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/18/2020 03:42:13


ps 
Level 61
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i use them very very rarely, when there is some very little ammount left to unlock something
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/18/2020 04:51:35


Benjamin628 
Level 60
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Market Raid = Best Power.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/19/2020 04:37:24

Nikitan 
Level 60
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I assume here, by reading the above posts, that the market is a maths feature and is usually used for late-game money grinding when all techs are unlocked. That's how I play it anyways.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/22/2020 23:20:00

Gussuk25 
Level 57
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Yeah, markets give a way for more efficient crafting... although the stats on cost vs profit per sec are not calculated from market cost..
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/22/2020 23:22:11


Lefty 
Level 59
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RAID!
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/26/2020 12:35:17

Krulle
Level 60
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As far as I've come, no.
The stuff I buy at markets to craft higher-priced items are still more expensive than the sell value of the items I craft.
so it wouldbe burning money at fast rates if I used the markets for anything else than raids.
And even for raids I feel they are rather useless.


Interesting to read they'll become mroe useful later.
But so far I haven't met a market I have access to that seels anything I haven't already crafted/smelted for a while.

Currently level "Breaking Green", 48,31% done.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/26/2020 13:30:22


krinid 
Level 60
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I feel like by the time you get a market for a specific item that item is already easily craftable smeltable so there’s no point in buying anything. Maybe I’m using them wrong?


Depends on how you define "easily craftable".

ARGUMENT #1: Deprivation of Resources
This means you (A) have to have the ore to be able to (B) smelt the alloy bars which will then allow you to (C) craft the item and then (D) repeat as many times as you need that item.

So when you need a low quantity <50 of an item like Cooper Wire for example, this is indeed pretty easy. Even 20-50 of Tin Cans or Screws for example is fairly easy. BUT also know that making Screws requires Iron Bars which requires Iron Ore. But making Platinum Bars also requires Iron Ore (which you can't buy) - did you just use up all your Iron Ore making Iron Bars to make Screws that you could have bought from the Market and thus have none to smelt Platinum Bars with that you need for a Tech? If so, your only option is to (A) wait for more ore to generate (you can buy mine upgrades to help, but you're still stuck waiting for it to accumulate), or (B) buy Platinum Bars from the Markets. Conversely, you could just buy Screws from the Market and save your ore.

ARGUMENT #2: Time Saving
Instead of 20-50 of Copper Wire, Tin Cans or Screws, let's say you need 1500 or each of these. That takes a long time. If you have a surplus of money and can buy them from a Market, you can get that Tech now rather than 10-20 hours from now, or in some cases (depends on how many Smelters & Crafters you have, how many Techs you have, etc) it could save days. So what's more important at this point in time, saving hours/days to get Techs quicker (and the benefits they bring) or conserving money to invest in Hospitals, Army Camps, Mine upgrades, etc? The answer may differ depending on your state within the level and your preferred play style.

ARGUMENT #3: Efficient Use of Smelters/Crafters (And More Time Saving)
Keep in mind that later levels require you to make items which are then used to build other items (like building Screws to build Resistors, Circuit Boards and LEDs which are then used to make Digital Clocks, etc). If you're using your Smelters for Copper, Iron and Tin, etc, it means you're not using them for Platinum, Titanium, Dysprosium, Unobtanium, etc. If you're using your Crafters for Tin Cans, Screws, Nails, etc, it means you're not using them for Resistors, Computers, Motors & Solar Panels. You only get so many of each, so use them for what benefits you the most - which likely isn't the cheaper items. Again, it comes down to whether you have a monetary surplus and whether you want to focus on getting Techs more quickly or not.

SUMMARY:
If you're like me, you probably end the level with either (A) a surplus of both armies and money, just waiting for the last few Techs to finish, or (B) exactly the # or armies required to clear the level and a surplus of money. Take that future Surplus of money and move it forward to spend more effectively as to optimize your level playing experience = my recommendation.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/26/2020 15:35:46


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
Level 60
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Interesting you are ending the level just waiting on techs.

Do you always just make the most expensive item you can?, and do you leave smelters Waiting for resources often?
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/28/2020 03:57:27


krinid 
Level 60
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@MightySpeck (a Koala)

Yes, quite often I disable my Smelters as soon as I'm done with all the Techs that immediately need those alloy bars (typically the first 1-2 rows of each Tech branch), because (A) by that point, the money returned for selling those bars is not enough to bother generating them ('small money'), but more importantly (B) the ore lost by making those lesser valued bars (copper, tin, iron, zinc, aluminum, silver, gold, etc) directly impacts my ability later in the game to make the higher valued bars (platinum, lanthanum, dysprosium, chromium, unobtanium, etc) b/c these require ore of the cheaper bars. So quite often getting the 'small money' in the early to mid-game for little benefit often prevents or moderately to severely delays getting 'big money' in the late mid to late game.

You can buy bars you need (actually depends on the level and what Markets are available), but you can never buy ore, so I treat it as a more valuable resource.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/28/2020 04:18:11

Georg Friedrich Ferdinand, Prinz von Preußen
Level 56
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I haven't seen those expensive bars in Idle. How do you find them? I also don't use markets. I actually hoard everything, not sure why, but it's just an instinct, so I never spend money on anything except upgrading mines and army camps and also buying armies. I also don't use power ups unless they are full.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/28/2020 13:32:11


krinid 
Level 60
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@Georg

What map are you on now? Certainly by Scandinavia you should be seeing lots of these.

By Reconquest 1065, you should see a bunch.

I'm redoing Europe 1066 AD and I see Titanium, Thorium, Lanthanum, Dysprosium.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/28/2020 18:13:03


Grendel 
Level 62
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I just finished Asia and now at the end of Gargantuan and both have exactly one market. I think this was a version with that bug and fixed since.
Does anyone actually use Markets?: 10/28/2020 18:26:07


(ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! 
Level 62
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I use Markets, because I am too lazy to look what I have to craft.
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