this is your opinion, which i consider BS

why do you sleep then?

Your mind can't handle it without rest, it cannot be consistent all the time, it gets tired
this is a well known fact.
Unless you are some freak or robot, you are human and thus are affected from stress/tiredness/alcohol/etc..

If you are immune to these and their effects, you are not human.

Those effects have been studied/researched and drugs have been produced to reduce their strength.

So stop sprouting nonsense please to support your ridiculous claims.

Edited 7/8/2014 04:34:49

Who suggested anyone was immune to the effects of stress/tiredness/alcohol?

I suggested that if someone was good enough that the right moves were second nature than they'd be less affected, not that they'd be unaffected. There's a large difference.

Stress affects different people differently, so does lack of sleep, and alcohol.

You're making a strawman argument, and it's not overly useful for your argument.

Edited 7/8/2014 04:38:06

I consider someone truly skilled to be more consistent regardless of their mood, because the right actions are intuitive and second nature to them.

you are clearly saying that they are consistent,
when being under the effect of stress/tiredness/alcohol/etc.. it means they are not consistent and thus you are the one not consistent with your thoughts.
I am not exaggerating in anyway, you are the one trying to fix what you said, accusing me of pulling a strawman argument won't work.
You are either consistent(does not change) or not consistent.
there is no such term, more consistent.
trust me, if you are drunk you would most likely commit without moving, the right opposite of consistent.
I think you should become drunk before posting to see what you wrote. Then maybe talk about consistence and what skilled players do.
Your claims are unfounded.
Support your claim about consistency of drunk people and maybe I'l consider your argument.

In warlight there are difficult decisions which are not intuitive like 50/50 chance of which front is the enemy gonna attack/reinforce. Those require a lot of thinking and rechecking history and study of the enemy strength up to that point.
It is not intuitive, it takes time.
If you are drunk and are pressured with time because of auto boot, you won't be consistent since you are being stressed and under the effect of alcohol.
You might still do a good move but you cannot say that you are consistent since you would have studied better the situation if you were not under those effects.

Edited 7/8/2014 05:19:48

stop making up statistics and agree to disagree

Longhouse,

if it takes 'the long run' to even out luck, what does that say about the short run?

I don't think you are aware that your comments agree with mine.

Luck is so strong in determining victory in any given game, you have to look at the 'long run' to assess someone's skill. Because in most games, luck is deciding victory.

In order to make fine-grain distinctions between people's skill levels you need a large sample size. This is true in any setting, from chess to basketball.

However, you do not need a large sample to determine that Timinator is a better player than me or that Manchester City is better than Aston Villa.

Play me please taxi driver. We can analyse the game and assess your theory together.

One game will reveal nothing.

and I only play real-time.

Luck sometimes can relate in a "Strategic" 1v1 or 2v2, well at least I think but let's look at the positives and negatives.

Positives for the elite/superior players
-when you win constantly the computer knows you will win again and again under the facade of the Rom hence people who win Europe, Crazy, and Insane, the computer will change the luck settings without you knowing it
-the computer/AI will determine how you win, your Warlight name is your Warlight name get used to it
-and sometimes you are plain lucky unless you counter another players move or uncommonly cluster in the map even if there are wastelands

Positives for the newbies/average player
-The computer determines who you are from the tutorial and the minor levels
-after the level ups/upgrades, the computer will let the higher level player(45-60) win say compared to a (1-10)lower level player unless he/she is receiving more point then the lower player will win if he has already won from a lvl 50 player
-the computer will know if you devoted or inactive and that will reflect your gameplay

Negatives for the elite/superior player
-One of the players will submit their picks before another player an he will most likely get his picks he/she if he was to make a turn first
-less real-time experience
-bad ladder stats for seasonal or real-time
-favorite maps or favorite games

Negatives for the average/newbie
-will not get he/she first picks if playing with elite or superior player
-win rate after 500 games
-availability of cards but not for reinforcement, diplo, or airlift
-not enough luck or experience

So we can come to a conclusion luck is from winning, winning from experience. How can you outwit a computer?? :D

Edited 7/9/2014 14:10:03

"I consider someone truly skilled to be more consistent regardless of their mood, because the right actions are intuitive and second nature to them.


you are clearly saying that they are consistent,
when being under the effect of stress/tiredness/alcohol/etc.. it means they are not consistent and thus you are the one not consistent with your thoughts.
I am not exaggerating in anyway, you are the one trying to fix what you said, accusing me of pulling a strawman argument won't work.
You are either consistent(does not change) or not consistent.
there is no such term, more consistent."

More consistent is not consistent. More consistent is absolutely a thing. Someone whose 1v1 rating bounces between 1990 and 2010 is more consistent than someone whose rating bounces between 1700 and 2400, but not as consistent as someone whose rating is always the same and never budges at all.

Consistency is not an absolute. You are not either consistent or inconsistent, everyone is inconsistent, the difference is the degree.

Luck determines a small number of games between good or great players. But usually, one simply out picks or outplays the other. I will link you to many games tommorrow to prove my point. Lets look at most of the recent games between 1900+ players. Most will be decided by skill, not luck.

"Because in most games, luck is deciding victory."

You simply have to be a troll, no one can really be this stupid.

That or completely incapable of taking accountability for your inadequacies.

Here's my wins vs. people with over 50% winrate:


http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6523578

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6355682

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6355726

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6468854

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6469310

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6469658

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6470681

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6471248

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6477402

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6478081

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6479720

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6519935

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6520888

There was 1 other, but he disappeared and it was a boot-win so it wasn't linked. Regardless that's 13 games won vs. opponents with 50%+ winrate (in many cases much higher). All wins, obviously all won without any losses in between as this account has lost 1 game ever, and it was its most recent game.

You claim that games between average or above skilled players luck determines most games. As such me winning 13 such games in a row should be impossible, since no matter how much better than them I am they should be good enough to beat me if I get unlucky.

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6520888

that one in particular, luck screwed me royally, without lube. Didn't matter, he lost.

Between turn 1 and turn 27 my cumulative luck was always lower than his.

HI nauz

Edited 7/9/2014 07:55:58

Edited 7/9/2014 11:06:46

Good kid, you fail to answer my reply

when you are drunk you are not consistant period
so it effects your statistics period

Unless you prove to me that statistics without filtering are reliable your claim is unfounded and not supported with evidence or anything.

You failed to address the factors directly that i pointed out and focused on mood only which you were proven wrong.
Unless you accept that you failed in this or supply some evidence to support your claim I'm done replying to you.

JSA, I think you missed some of my points.
Most people take for-granted some luck factors which happen in every single game.
I'm not saying that most games are decided by luck(that's statistics) but that luck is a more effective factor then skill when above average players play.
I demonstrated this in my early posts that 1 single lucky move can decide the game, no matter how much superior skill the enemy has.

Edited 7/9/2014 11:34:55

AutogameSupremacy,

In the first three games you posted, you did not have negative luck, or worse luck than your opponent.

I don't think you even understand what's being discussed on this thread.

Good kid i said the exact opposite, YOU DON'T WIN BY LUCK YOU WIN BY CONSISTENT PLAYING OR EXPERIENCE. I said your luck increases/develops in the elite player from winning so much.And that even mean who gets their Picks first.(This game is based on the part of the 8% of the brain we already use but Chess is a different thing altogether :D!)Good Kid please don't come up with the excuse of abstract thinking/concepts in this game of Warlight.

No MacDaddy,

your individual luck does not change based on your victory rate

that's nonsense!

Think about it Taxi Driver the computer knows how you play that is why sometimes you can't capture a particular territory or pick a certain place.