except me.
ok, i know, completely irrelevant, but i couldn't resist -.-

I'm done talking to you hedja. You even admit you don't know what you're talking about and I know for a fact that I am correct. I even go back to check my responses. If you think that the us had the largest navy your an idiot. And the fact yiu think that the us rebuilt an entire navy in a year makes you the dumbest human to ever live. Your stupidity amazes me. When you don't know what your talking about shut your mouth. Why would you continue to argue when your not even sure? Stop embarrassing yourself. Sidemote: The American navy grew into the largest in the world but your times are wrong.

How do I have a kindergarten level you idiot? I said I started then. Just shut up, and Mussolini controlled Spain? You should be instituntionalized for stupidity.

Hitter should have waited to invade Russia. Instead he should have invaded England. The genocides were simply a waste of supplies. He also tried to make numerous decisions ex: Stalingrad which was the turning point in World War Two would never have happened if not or hitler. They were simply tryin to take oil fields in the cacaus area but instead he got his armies trapped into a two year or so long battle. He then decided to sacrifice the dying army instead of Saving it. Germany should have taken England, then take Russia. Hitler should have also not been in control of the armies. He was a good face from the party and I ideals but not a strategic leader. Also I don't condon his behavior.

:D I got you to further vilify urself (umadbro?). And I just meant that Franco's forces should be like under a small Axis power's control.

Burgoo, cool the flaming. Seriously, Hedja's comments were ignorant but there's no reason to bash the guy for it. I thought Hell Bender's comments weren't well-founded but I never attacked Hell Bender directly, I merely showed my opposition. Gotta be less hostile. ;)

The longer hitler waited to take russia the more time stalin had to prepare. The molotov ribbentrop pact meant nothing to both leaders. Keep in mind after the spainish civil war stalin saw the need to build up a better army he was in the middle of it when hitler invaded. Had he waited until 1943 when the Russian army got up to date 1941 guns and up to date tanks into the army, it would've been a long war. Remember Britain was ready to fight to the death. And Mr Roosevelt was itching for a reason to get America into the war, I'm sure an attack on the UK would've brough us in.

Someone mantioned only germany had quality armed forces. Not true!

I think you will find Britain won the battle of Britain with odds against and had to and did do kill german planes at a rate of 4:1. That is the sign of a good quality airforce. Althought ht spitifre had a technology edge becuase it could turn faster and was more manueverable, remember the majority of fighters were hurricane not spitfire so the vicotry must be due also to training, guts and quality pilots.

Lets look at the army: British troops were well known for holding out just like the germans and had many quality troops at their disposal such as the guards, the newly formed commandos, paratroop units, imported units such as the gurkas, the 8th army in africa did very well.

I think a german soldier onece said that although the americans were very good at taking ground when the germans counterattacked they lost it oo easily where as the british would dig in and be hard to budge.

Britian didnt become get and keep an empire without having quality troops at its disposal.

I have to go but I will continue this rant later. :P

I genuinely don't believe that other nations troops can compare to that of the nazis. The reason why Britain won the Battle of Britain was a few reasons, not because of a small plane superiority because the messhersmidt was a great high altitude interceptor. The real reasons for their victory were radar, the fact that they were protecting the homeland and families, and that Germany had to cease because of devastating losses. I think if they continued it would have turned into the Germans favor. But that's a matter of opinion. I also think German units were better trained, had better leadership, and moral(debatable). I think we can agree that this is between England and Germany atleast. England had there commandoes and basic grunts but the Germans had the waffen, shutzstaffel, fallshirmjäger, gebirgsjager, and other highly trained groups. Some being extremely radical, others not as much but still very loyal. Although I don't dismiss English quality I still firmly believe the Germans were the strongest force in WWII

And it's the Russians were a massive horde. Ok they had the t34 but they were never going to win by quality or strategy even if they did make a better army. It was always going to be about numbers. They had moral(which mistifies me) and numbers that was it.

O ok, I thought it was by the end of 1942, because in Midway all 4 Japanese carriers were damaged, whereas they damaged the same carrier, twice, thinking it was a different one. This one the had hit twice was also damaged earlier in the Pacific War, (not sure if Pearl Harbour or not) but was repaired. The Japanese thought they had destroyed 3 US carriers, and lied about their losses to the public.
BK, I'm saying what i think happened, you happen to think that whatever you say is 100% historically accurate and if i checked on-line not all of what you say would be true. I really can't be bothered to check Navy lists for the beginning, and anyway I'm righting an essay about how much of an influence GB was in the war on Germany, next week it'll be one on dropping the nukes, unfortunately neither need me to see numbers of Japanese fleet compared to the US.
Though we disagree on the Navy, I see we agree on that Hitler should have invaded Britain, and left another year to attack Russia at a more opportune moment. Also Japan should have invaded Siberia (Russia) instead of bringing the US into the war in 41. And to help the Germans finish of the Russians before they concentrate on fighting the US.

go check what i say, i make sure that i back up everyting i've said with resources. so i know all my words are 100% true. also my opinions on the nukes is a positive and i believe it was totally warranted.

Seconded. The mindset of the Japanese was fanatical, nothing but the Atom Bomb would've swayed their minds. An invasion would've been suicidal for the Americans, quite literally. They would've fought until we either gave up or they kicked us out and continued pursuing us. The Bombs showed that we had the power to wipe them completely out without losing a soldier. We would've continued with more Atom Bombs too if the 2 weren't sufficient. That's how serious the situation was.

Please invite me for the next test Lolowut. I played AA a ton back in the day and would love to help you out with it.

i just wrote a whole paragraph and it was lost like tears in the rain because warlight lagged out. so much spaghetti everywhere out of my fanny pack

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"portugal if you look it up was a huge ally of the english and those territories that seem stupid would fill up a very small map and create odd twists to a game people would think irrelevand a large reason italy lost is because it soent billions fighting the ethiopians". but they were enutral during the second world war and sold stuff to both sides. In the end they became closer to the us... but some ppl say that lajes might have beeen ocuppied by the us prior to the authorisation by the portuguese state

Luftwaffe fighter planes far outguned, outmanouvered and had much more speed than UK fighters.

But again Hitler was the leader of every millitary part of Germany and he wanted to bomb the british to submishion instead of fighting them whit fighter planes in the air.

The reason the british planes planes smashed the German planes 4:1 is because the German planes were light Bombers whit no defence and few excort fighters.





US lost few ships in pearl harbor totally, most of the bombed ships were up and running after just few months.

This was because the japanese man that lead the attack on pearl harbor thoug it were dishonorly to attack the undefended US naval Yards and the fuel storage(whic was planned to be bombed in a second attack wawe by the Japanese admiral, but the seconadry man that lead the attack thoug it was stupid to send a second wawe to attack when the first allred destroyed the ships).

If the Naval yards had been destroyed the US would have had to use months to repair them before they could even begin repair the ships and in this time the ships would have gotten into an even worse condition).

The fuel storage held millions of gallons of fuel and it were enough in them to drive the whole American fleet for 8 month, if this fuel had went up in flames it would have taken 2-3 years to replace it and US would have been unable to make any major moves at all.

Friday I'll be doing the standing armies myself unless someone else wants to suggest totals for each country on my current map :)

Heres what i think the major superpowers should each have.

Germany: 75

UK plus its colonies: 60

Japan: 65

USSR: 70

US: 80

These my be overpowering some people but it makes sense. Germany at that time owned much of europe, including france and some of soviet russia's former territories. Britain was very close to losing, having been recently bombed a lot. Japan had most of the pacific, but still dint have either the resources or the men. USSR, while they didnt have the best army training wise, they had a large, loyal army determined to stop germany. USA, arguably the strongest country at that time, began mass producing ships, planes, etc, as well as a fairly large armie as well. If you guys have any suggestions, just say it.

I cannot believe that you just said "USA, arguably the strongest country at that time"

I said "arguably", meaning this is just my opinion.