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Clan League #5: 2014-09-07 18:28:21


Beren Erchamion 
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but XS would like to compete in the clan league next season. I'm assuming that will be starting up in about a month or so since this season looks to be winding down.
Clan League #5: 2014-09-08 03:35:35


ChrisCMU 
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You should mail JSA to be sure, but i will remember
Clan League #5: 2014-09-08 06:56:21


Pushover 
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I thought the clan league was being run by you (Chris) and Miyagi? Is JSA taking back over?
Clan League #5: 2014-09-08 11:03:42


Phaeril 
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I think this last individual classement does not mean anything. I'm ok for 1v1, but it's not pertinent to judge players individually on team games...
Clan League #5: 2014-09-08 13:10:10


ChrisCMU 
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League was run by Miyagi with Apollo and me as consultants. I think next season will be JSA woth Apollo and me as consultants (and Miyagi if he still wants to help).
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 00:33:49

JSA 
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Facts of the Woohoo/Dutch Desire case:

Evidence that makes it likely Woohoo is Dutch Desire:
1. Witholding facts about himself: Woohoo fervently denies being an alt at first. When he is accused of being Dutch Desire, he says that he is Dutch Desire's "brother" (an easy lie to get around the fact that their IP's were the same). When many people say he couldn't be that good with so few games, he simply says he is a genius at first. As time goes on, he "admits" that he has an older account named Goldbeadshot. Why did Woohoo wait to reveal these "facts"? Was it because he didn't think they were a big deal at first? Or was he trying to cover himself and lower the other evidence against him? The latter seems more likely to me.

2. Woohoo and Dutch Desire talk similar. Not very strong evidence, but it adds to the probability they are the same player.

3. Dutch Desire and Woohoo accounts were made the same day. Coincidence? Unlikely.

4. http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6958216 . Dutch Desire kicks my ass in a Qina 1v1 game. He says South China Sea is the best bonus on the map. http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6934959 . Woohoo picks the exact same as Dutch Desire advises. While it is possible they just discussed strategies on it, that seems unlikely, since they have played no 1v1 games against each other.

5. No Woohoo games with Dutch Desire in them. Why did they never play lately?

6. Woohoo has played more games int he past two months than he had in over 2 years.

Conclusion: These 6 facts make me 99% sure Woohoo is Dutch Desire. However, the defense also needs a chance.

Here is Woohoo's defense:
1. Goldbeadshot and Orange/Dutch Desire have played around 30 games together (linked in a private chat). In every single game, they are on the same team. Alts can play on the same team easily. Therefore, these games prove very little. If they played as teammates, why not agaisnt each other? There is some chat in these games that do provide evidence that Goldbeadshot is not Dutch Desire.

Conclusion: It is a distinct possibility that Goldbeadshot is Dutch Desire's brother. But even if we assume that is the truth, there is no evidence that Woohoo is indeed Goldbeadshot. Therefore, whether Goldbeadshot is Dutch Desire or not is irrelevant; Woohoo is the account in question here. Based on this evidence, I am almost certain Woohoo is Dutch Desire/Orange. The clan league is not something where we need 100% proof, because that would be almost impossible online. All we can do is that if we are pretty sure an account is an alt of someone else, we must conclude they are guilty.

I await ChrisCMU's, Miyagi's, and Apollo's final decisions on this, but I wanted to post it on here just to allow the warlight community to view all the facts.
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 01:20:41


Ace Windu 
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I move for a mistrial.
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 06:01:25


ChrisCMU 
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The no Woohoo/DD games together seems really fishy to me. I have no family that play, but I do have close friends. We always have a game or two going with each other (together or against each other). You'd think brothers would be playing against each other and teaching one way or another.
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 08:25:47


Cheery Dog
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I think I only ever played at most 3 games directly against my brother, most of the time we just picked on AIs.
Although there's also a few times we joined large FFAs, where we would have been against each other - I think we usually allied with each other in those though.

I don't know what we'd be doing now since he quit playing.
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 14:36:24


Master Turtle 
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Apollo has answered and JSA I recently played Wohoo in 3 games on Qina. I will link them in our private chat. Please do read the chat.
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 15:37:23


[WM] Gnuffone 
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let me know if the Brother excuse will work. bc in the case he will not get banned for one season, my Brother will start to play as well...
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 15:42:35


desi
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I just saw this thread and i'm shocked! The accusations of MoD that i'm his alt are completely wrong! I'm his brother and stole his his chocolate so he got that angry that he told everybody i'm his alt :( i'll give you a bit of that chocolate if you don't punish me
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 15:43:46


master of desaster 
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I confirm that and i agree that i overreacted a bit. Desi is of course my brother
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 15:52:11


ChrisCMU 
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Suppose they are brothers, would that really be any better than alts? The point of only using one account in the league is to stop anything shady. If you have two brothers playing on different teams, wouldn't that create just as many issues?
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 15:53:39


master of desaster 
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!!THIS COMMENT IS SERIOUS!!

In that case it depends wheter they are in the same league i think. A and C shouldn't be a problem

Edited 9/11/2014 15:56:02
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 16:22:11


Master Turtle 
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MoD suppose they are lieing and arent brothers.... They will be punished more heavily than you for openly admitting your Desi.

Edited 9/11/2014 17:31:37
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 16:33:12


[WM] Gnuffone 
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this is right.
in rl, if you kill a person, and you admit it, you have a reduce of penalty, till a 1/3 in Italy.
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 16:40:57


Banana 
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Therefore mod should get away with a warning, not a banning.
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 16:45:12

Pulsey
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doesnt matter, banana clan sucks. :)
Clan League #5: 2014-09-11 17:32:37


Master Turtle 
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Doesnt work that way banana....
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