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Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/16/2020 23:36:13


{TLA} LND
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Kratt's TSFH clan (https://www.warzone.com/Clans/?ID=402) has climbed to an enormous number of players extremely fast; they are now about 100 members behind Darklords (https://www.warzone.com/Clans/?ID=140) and at the rate they've been going, they'll overtake in a month or so. But will the members remain active? Or will vast numbers of them leave WZ sooner or later and the massive clan will be reduced to the state of Darklords? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/17/2020 00:04:56


Fc Bayern
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They basically had 200+ members right in their first week after their foundation.

I'm wondering why the darklords couldn't get even more players. They did invite basically everyone. Spam inviting seemes to work better for TSFH though.

By the way, some invites that I got:
- Darklords (4 times I guess xD)
- XS
- Cats
- Virtix Mortalis
- Celtica
- USSR
- that Thanos clan (I'm too lazy to look for the name).
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/17/2020 03:56:23


Kratt 
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Short answer, no.
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/17/2020 04:26:30


Жұқтыру
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They did invite basically everyone.


Darklordio got tired of it
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/17/2020 11:01:39


Rikku
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Maybe clan invites are shown in the app now? I can't remember if that is the case now but if that changed since dark-lords time would make it easier to recruit now
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/17/2020 11:06:49


Rick Sanchez
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no clan invites don't work in the app. I joined TLA just yesterday and had to use the browser.
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/18/2020 07:07:51

Mike
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Was Kratt spamming invites? When I was invited he just invited me through one of his clan tournaments that I happened to join.

I have to give him credit, he puts A LOT of effort into hosting several unique weekly tournaments and 1v1 ladders.

He (and the clan) certainly kept me playing a lot longer than I would have otherwise.
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/18/2020 08:00:43


{TLA} LND
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Invites do work in the app, but you have to accept them when the notification comes, you can't find them on clan page.
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/19/2020 16:16:00


riskboy88 
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yup, they overtook 101st now.

congratulations Kratt what adress can i send your reward of frozen waffles to
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/19/2020 18:02:05


Onoma94
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CORP and 101st should kick some inactives. They don't belong in the clanlist in between such great clans as TSFL and Cats and Celtica.
- downvoted post by sniper
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/19/2020 22:58:48

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they are spreading too fast, all tournaments have been infected

Edited 4/19/2020 23:00:02
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/20/2020 00:12:31


Battle Master ⚔
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help me
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/20/2020 06:59:04

pewpewyourdead 
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its because TSFH is life ( seriously recommend listening to their music 10/10 )

TSFH - Two Steps From Hell

also recommend listening to Thomas Bergersen who is the actual founder of TSFH
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/20/2020 10:13:43


{TLA} LND
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Sounds like the name of a metal band. Metal isn't my style.
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/20/2020 10:20:02


JK_3
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Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/20/2020 14:47:52


Viking1007 
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TSFH won't become the new Darklords unless they don't kick inactive members, which will be hard going through 500+ members
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/21/2020 01:00:00


{TLA} LND
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Lol I just played a QM game with a TSFH member, here's the chat:
Me: TSFH boy?
TSFH boy: is that the clan?
Me: lol
TSFH boy: lol sorry I'm not super involved

Looks like they're already on their way... 😉
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/22/2020 04:59:29


Kratt 
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Cheeky.
Coming from you especially.
You put in so much effort to appear to be something you're not. You claim to screen your potential recruits but you and I both know how it's really done.
"Hey, can I get an invite?" was all it took for me to join TLA back before TSFH times. And it hasn't changed.
And even when you try to hoard everything that makes a sound in global chat the involvement in your clan is lacking.
Yeah you get a few spammers, but that's hardly being involved in clan matters.
Funnily, one of your co-managers is taking notes on what to do from me. And I heard you got massive outside help. Well done.

The way we recruit, you can't expect involvement from everyone, that's impossibly high expectations. Never have I hidden that we are an extremely open clan and it is not hard to get in, unless you're BM.
But we are going in the right direction and that's not the way Darklords are.
Everything takes time. We are so new compared to every other clan out there, but community building is going great so far.
Those who are involved already, find it fun enough to stay, even when better clans occasionally come knocking.
And it'll only get better.

Basically, in short.
You're bitter, don't be. ;)
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/22/2020 09:32:29


{TLA} LND
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1. Yes, it is cheeky, I'm a cheeky boy. ;)
2. I think I actually put in effort for TLA to become something we're not (currently). Myself? I know I'm bad, I'm not making any claims at being a good player.
3. You joined TLA before we had implemented all our new rules, if I remember correctly. Even if you had joined later, you still fit the requirements, and we do check our recruits for bootrate and activity (except maybe Miegokhan, but we tell him off and revoke the invites when he doesn't do that).
4. Hoard everything that makes a sound in the global chat? Is there something wrong with recruiting from the global chat?
5. Spammers get kicked if they do it too much. Look at BM.
6. What's wrong with taking notes from you? I don't tell them not to get advice from other managers...
7. "Massive outside help?" Lol. I guess if you count JSA and NoName having being here for a week or two to train a couple players as "massive outside help", then sure.
8. The way you recruit is activity, and yet you don't expect involvement from everyone... interesting. But I agree that it is impossible the way you recruit.
9. I'm sure Darklords was going the right direction once...
10. I agree, things take time. Which is why turning TLA from an inactive clan into an active one is taking time.
11. Community building going great and you're having fun? Great!

Basically, in short,
You're salty, don't be. ;)

(P.S. I was not starting this thread to take a dig at you or TSFH; I was purely curious, because you guys are the only clan of a similar size to Darklords, and I merely wondered whether you may end up like them. I would have made this thread regardless of the clan or who runs it. One reason for wondering this is because TLA recruited active players quickly in our first few months a couple years back, and a year and a half later, we were a ghost town of inactives. And if that happened to 80 players, I'm wondering whether it could happen to 500, that's all. Again, I wasn't trying to slight you or TSFH, just curious. So don't be offended!!!)

Edited 4/22/2020 09:35:05
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/22/2020 16:37:38

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I request you solve this via clan battle
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/22/2020 16:48:56


Zephyrum
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lmao holy shit y'all are petty. Clan drama still a thing in 2020. Fizzer's all pure, but the WZ community remains as disgusting as ever with the holier-than-thou attitudes coming from the literal rock-bottom.

I have no idea who you are Kratt, but here's a piece of advice, everytime someone from a different clan says something about yours, take it as a compliment to your notoriety and leave. Specially diplo clans.
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/22/2020 16:55:06


goralgn
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dude drama itself is art why ruin it?
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/22/2020 17:35:49


Aura Guardian 
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Why would one of you care about what the other says about their clan? Instead of spitting it back with hostility, either ignore it or use humor. That goes for any clan leader. I made a bit of a swipe towards TSFH myself not a while back and was met with a hostile response. I don't think taking swipes is the real problem here ... its the retaliation to it.

When it comes to clans, actions are stronger than words. Just prove to the community that they are wrong. Don't get into flame wars over it. It just sheds you in a bad light.

Edited 4/22/2020 17:45:04
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/22/2020 23:10:14


Kratt 
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This is hardly a flame war.

2. I think I actually put in effort for TLA to become something we're not (currently). Myself? I know I'm bad, I'm not making any claims at being a good player.

Your own co-manager claims in global chat that he does most of the work, you're just... there...
Also a good player doesn't mean a good leader and vice versa.

3. You joined TLA before we had implemented all our new rules, if I remember correctly. Even if you had joined later, you still fit the requirements, and we do check our recruits for bootrate and activity (except maybe Miegokhan, but we tell him off and revoke the invites when he doesn't do that).

Tiny Rick joined like a week ago. How does he fit the criterion?

4. Hoard everything that makes a sound in the global chat? Is there something wrong with recruiting from the global chat?

Nothing, but you claim to have such high standards when in reality, there aren't any. That's my point, you were looking for "elite" (lol) players and thought that's the best idea ever until most who had a clue told you it's a better idea actually grow your own elites. You're all over the place and have no direction.

5. Spammers get kicked if they do it too much. Look at BM.

He left, he never got kicked. He was there for months and months and would be still there hadn't he left himself.

6. What's wrong with taking notes from you? I don't tell them not to get advice from other managers...

A lot actually, if you debate that TSFH is the second coming of Darklords then you obviously don't see the way my clan is build up as a decent alternative to the norm. Which pretty much means that most advice I can give is garbage in your eyes.
Who would want bad advice?

7. "Massive outside help?" Lol. I guess if you count JSA and NoName having being here for a week or two to train a couple players as "massive outside help", then sure.

Well I don't know, but everyone seems to think that it's going to be that one thing that will make TLA "an up-and-coming superpower in the competitive arena of strategic play."
You included.

8. The way you recruit is activity, and yet you don't expect involvement from everyone... interesting. But I agree that it is impossible the way you recruit.

Activity in the game does not mean involvement in clan stuff. This is as silly to think as good player equals good leader.
My activity standards are pretty harsh too. 1 day 20 hours until automatic boot in clan tournaments.
Wasn't TLA's 7 days and still a lot got booted?

9. I'm sure Darklords was going the right direction once...

I don't care about Darklords, I am not Darklordio. They are not really something any clan would like to be compared to.
And I am honestly not even sure they ever had a direction.

10. I agree, things take time. Which is why turning TLA from an inactive clan into an active one is taking time.

You've been there a long time, you have had all the time in the world to make it happen. It's not happening for you. JSA magic wand or not.


Basically, in short,
You're a coward, don't be. ;)
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/22/2020 23:13:40


Farah♦ 
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In short, both your clans suck.
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/22/2020 23:25:34


Onoma94
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^ pretty much
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/23/2020 00:56:40


{TLA} LND
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Haha, true Farah! ;)
I don't think taking swipes is the real problem here ... its the retaliation to it.

I agree, especially since I wasn't intending to offend Kratt in the first place; at worst, it was a cheeky comparison, but really I was simply wondering! Gosh! How many times to I have to say it? I WASN'T TAKING SHOTS AT YOU OR TSFH PERSONALLY! I would have done the same thing no matter who the clan was or who led it! Once again, I'm not trying to say my clan's better than yours or that I'm a better manager than you!!!

2. Yes, JK does a lot of work, I'm not pretending he doesn't and I'm not pretending I do more. And when did I claim to be a good leader exactly?
3. Have you even read our criteria? Tiny Rick met them, all right.
4. Didn't you notice the disclaimer in my recruiting forum post that said: Before y'all criticise me; I'm aware this isn't the best way to recruit the desired individuals, however I'm running out of time, so I thought I'd give it a shot. You never know what can happen...
5. Yes BM left. But he was given his final warning internally, and he was told that if he left (he kept leaving then coming back) he wouldn't be invited back. He begged us to let him back in, but nope. Not exactly a kick, but effectively the same thing. Idk why he left, but it certainly wasn't because he didn't still want to be there. The reason it took so long is because we have rules to stop managers arbitrarily removing players they don't like. And I believe in second chances.
6. Once again, I don't debate that TSFH is the "second coming" of Darklords, I wonder whether it will follow the same trajectory. As it is, I think your clan is doing wonderfully, with plenty of good players and would probably woop TLA's butt in a competition. ;) I'm not trying to say TLA's better! I'm purely wondering about the number of players you have!
7. Uhhh, okay, nice to know you can read my mind. ;) I actually don't think it's the only thing, I agree with these trainers when they say it's not them but the willingness of our players to analyse and learn on their own. Sure, I think their input will help a lot, but I don't think it's the only thing.
8. Fair enough. I guess what you and I are looking for when we say "activity" is different, and that's fine. Good to clarify.
9. Sure.
10. Not sure what you mean by "long time" - TLA was started in 2017 by an irl friend of mine. I helped him manage initially, but halfway through 2018 I decided I need to concentrate on schoolwork, so I went on a no-Warzone hiatus until the very end of 2019. During that time TLA became very inactive (maybe 60 out of 80 members). So I've had since then to try and fix things. But I think fairness is important, and I didn't want to remove people who weren't reeeally inactive. Since then I've been slowly transitioning us from a casual clan to something a bit more than that; definitely not elite yet, but not entirely casual anymore. And I would say it is happening. Slowly, but surely.

Not sure how I'm a coward, but I'm sorry if I offended you with this thread, I didn't intend to, next time I'll be more careful with you because you seem to be a little bit touchy. All the best with TSFH, and I hope they don't turn into Darklords. But I'll be interested to find out in years to come!
Will TSFH become the new Darklords?: 4/23/2020 07:27:37


riskboy88 
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Who is up for a session of TSFH related jokes?

( got a few already, just not posting because they might offend some people)
- downvoted post by {TLA} LND
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