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I played a game with Optim#Elite! just now on a map called Real-Life Europe. The bonuses on this map are confusing but I checked the history carefully and I cannot see where his reinforcements come from on the first turn. It looks to me like he should get 10 reinforcements on his first turn, but he gets 21. The next two players each got 8 reinforcements, so this gave him a significant advantage.

The easiest way I can think of for him to have done this would be to manipulate the map so that there was a bonus that nobody else knew about. I don't know how to make maps but I know that if you modify them that it shows your modifications, but it didn't show any modifications. Maybe he "created" his own map and saved it so that the game thought those were default settings.

He was very angry about people betraying him and all in all seemed really upset that he lost. I think he is used to doing this sort of thing and felt really stupid that he lost with double everyone elses start income.

This map used a custom scenario, but I can't see any overridden bonuses. This seems strange.

You just misunderstood how this map works. Sources of his income are:

• 4 armies/turn - base income;
  
• 1 army/turn - Istanbul bonus;
  
• 1 army/turn - Mecca bonus;
  
• 15 armies/turn - everything else.
  

Why 15? Because he has 6 of those "strategic points". Map says that for every two of them you get +1 army/turn, and that's true. But that, in fact, does not mean "you get N/2 armies per turn, where N is number of strategic points under your control". It means "for every set of two strategic points both of which are under your control, you get 1 army/turn". So, if you label his territories as A, B, C, D, E and F, he has 15 such sets: (A&B), (A&C), (A&D), (A&E), (A&F), (B&C), (B&D), (B&E), (B&F), (C&D), (C&E), (C&F), (D&E), (D&F) and (E&F). If you want easy formula, it's (N*(N-1))/2, where N is number of strategic points under payer's control.

I haven't played on this map, but the strategical points bonus seems quite straightforward to me...

Every 2 territories out of 14 gives you +1, Optim had 6 which means he had +6!/(2!4!)=+5*6/2=15...

That map is a mess, and I've tried to steer people away from playing on it for this very reason. Once you know where the bonuses are, it's still a bit like Mirror Earth in that it's very different than your normal experience. Before you figure it out, it's pretty much like the other guy is cheating the system.

Thanks. I didn't understood the key points bonuses.

Is that fair when its almost impossible for other players to figure out the map?
Does that explain the 21 armies at start? Or the 43 at turn 9?

Seems like my qeustions are answered already

Better question... how did optim blow it?

i was replying but Segrain explained it well...this map is quite difficult to learn because of the strange bonus system.

also, the territory 'livonia' in latvia gives you 4 armies per turn instead of 1.

i'm pretty sure the "1 army for every 2 strategical points" was meant to create a situation where you got 1/2 an army for every strategical point, not an exponentially increasing number of armies.

No wonder optim hosts this map all the time.

How lame

retarded noob.....maybe you have not read the letters at left of the map....."THERE ARE 14 STRATEGIC POINTS ON THE MAP EACH 2 OF THEM GIVE 1 ARMY" with 6 strategic points at start you can have a combination of 15 pairs of strategic points.....15+5 (standard armies per turn =20.....but istabul is also..."EVERY COLOURED BONUS GIVE 1 ARMY AND REPRESENTS ABOUT 10 MILION PEOPLE" 15+5+1 = 21 This is maths not cheats.....

"This is maths not cheats..... "
"maybe you have not read the letters"

^Agreed. I legitimately think I just lost a few brain cells by reading that.

Prerequisites: Number of multiplayer games the player has completed must be at most 400.

Optim with 3580 played games, and very impressive statistics

Don`t like to play against equals Optim?

in a FFA?? -.-

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I don't follow if you are saying it's bad or not a problem?

put high prerequisites of games played or games wins in a FFa have no sense.....

They're pointing out that Optim:

filtered out everyone who had played more than 400 games.

Whilst he has played 3,500+