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Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 15:17:02


ShamelessGit 
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http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2933824

I played a game with Optim#Elite! just now on a map called Real-Life Europe. The bonuses on this map are confusing but I checked the history carefully and I cannot see where his reinforcements come from on the first turn. It looks to me like he should get 10 reinforcements on his first turn, but he gets 21. The next two players each got 8 reinforcements, so this gave him a significant advantage.

The easiest way I can think of for him to have done this would be to manipulate the map so that there was a bonus that nobody else knew about. I don't know how to make maps but I know that if you modify them that it shows your modifications, but it didn't show any modifications. Maybe he "created" his own map and saved it so that the game thought those were default settings.

He was very angry about people betraying him and all in all seemed really upset that he lost. I think he is used to doing this sort of thing and felt really stupid that he lost with double everyone elses start income.
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 15:26:49

Grzechooo 
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This map used a custom scenario, but I can't see any overridden bonuses. This seems strange.
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 15:26:58

Segrain
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You just misunderstood how this map works. Sources of his income are:

  • 4 armies/turn - base income;
  • 1 army/turn - Istanbul bonus;
  • 1 army/turn - Mecca bonus;
  • 15 armies/turn - everything else.

Why 15? Because he has 6 of those "strategic points". Map says that for every two of them you get +1 army/turn, and that's true. But that, in fact, does not mean "you get N/2 armies per turn, where N is number of strategic points under your control". It means "for every set of two strategic points both of which are under your control, you get 1 army/turn". So, if you label his territories as A, B, C, D, E and F, he has 15 such sets: (A&B), (A&C), (A&D), (A&E), (A&F), (B&C), (B&D), (B&E), (B&F), (C&D), (C&E), (C&F), (D&E), (D&F) and (E&F). If you want easy formula, it's (N*(N-1))/2, where N is number of strategic points under payer's control.
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 15:29:17


szeweningen 
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I haven't played on this map, but the strategical points bonus seems quite straightforward to me...

Every 2 territories out of 14 gives you +1, Optim had 6 which means he had +6!/(2!4!)=+5*6/2=15...
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 15:31:40

The Duke of Ben 
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That map is a mess, and I've tried to steer people away from playing on it for this very reason. Once you know where the bonuses are, it's still a bit like Mirror Earth in that it's very different than your normal experience. Before you figure it out, it's pretty much like the other guy is cheating the system.
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 15:32:20


ShamelessGit 
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Thanks. I didn't understood the key points bonuses.
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 15:32:28

FREAKY
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Is that fair when its almost impossible for other players to figure out the map?
Does that explain the 21 armies at start? Or the 43 at turn 9?
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 15:33:43

FREAKY
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Seems like my qeustions are answered already
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 15:34:00


[REGL] Pooh 
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Better question... how did optim blow it?
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 15:37:44


Thánatos 
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i was replying but Segrain explained it well...this map is quite difficult to learn because of the strange bonus system.
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 15:41:35


x 
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also, the territory 'livonia' in latvia gives you 4 armies per turn instead of 1.

i'm pretty sure the "1 army for every 2 strategical points" was meant to create a situation where you got 1/2 an army for every strategical point, not an exponentially increasing number of armies.
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 15:46:54

FREAKY
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No wonder optim hosts this map all the time.

How lame
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 16:04:53


Belzebù - サタン 
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retarded noob.....maybe you have not read the letters at left of the map....."THERE ARE 14 STRATEGIC POINTS ON THE MAP EACH 2 OF THEM GIVE 1 ARMY" with 6 strategic points at start you can have a combination of 15 pairs of strategic points.....15+5 (standard armies per turn =20.....but istabul is also..."EVERY COLOURED BONUS GIVE 1 ARMY AND REPRESENTS ABOUT 10 MILION PEOPLE" 15+5+1 = 21 This is maths not cheats.....
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 16:53:14


Najdorf
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"This is maths not cheats..... "
"maybe you have not read the letters"
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 17:15:58


BearsBeetsBattlestarGalactica
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^Agreed. I legitimately think I just lost a few brain cells by reading that.
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 17:38:03

bunes 
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Prerequisites: Number of multiplayer games the player has completed must be at most 400.

Optim with 3580 played games, and very impressive statistics

Don`t like to play against equals Optim?
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 17:55:32


Belzebù - サタン 
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in a FFA?? -.-
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 18:00:18


Ska2D2 
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��lz�b�™?

I don't follow if you are saying it's bad or not a problem?
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 18:08:23


Belzebù - サタン 
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put high prerequisites of games played or games wins in a FFa have no sense.....
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 18:20:26


Ska2D2 
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They're pointing out that Optim:

filtered out everyone who had played more than 400 games.

Whilst he has played 3,500+
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 18:33:35

Envaeronment
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yeah, most of the #Elite! guys boost their stats that way by playing versus people that are low skilled. Most of them are only average or just above average skilled while their stats would say otherwise
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 18:36:04


Belzebù - サタン 
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ahh sorry ska......i thought it was at least 400....
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 18:36:46

Aschenisto
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This is how Optin have more wins than loses.

He simply hosts this map and take the bonuses. And this map really sucks. There are lot of people whose native language is not english so this kind of maps are confusing. So it is like cheating (use confusing maps to get more bonuses)

Once I said in public chat that let's take stratetic positions. After that Optim terminated the game lol. Optim Elite, we do not like you anymore.
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 18:43:37


AWESOMEGUY 
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I ALWAYS DISLIKE PEOPLE THAT DO THIS..... DON'T PLAY EUROPE COMPLEX IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT COMPLETELY AND NEVER MAKE POSTS ON THIS....

STRATEGIC POINTS!!!!
now you know
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 18:47:51


Ska2D2 
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Awesome guy:

No need to shout :)

But I think if you limit the players to only inexperienced players then it's less fair to assume that not all of them will understand the intricacies of as you called 'Real Life Europe' a "Complex" map.
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 18:54:27


Ska2D2 
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EDIT:
*assume that all of them*
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 19:26:00


Belzebù - サタン 
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@envearoment most elite guys have high stats because are better than you, Do not lie...., if you think you're better than us, join ladder, or play agains us....is childish to say that we play against opponents of low-level, my games are in europe at least with 40%, 45% or 55%....and i never seen players like gnuffone , darkw1ng, idfdoggy, ottarin play in games with low wins rate .....if you have see them or me pls link here the games or dont be stupid with yours affermations......some #Elite! maybe is not very elite but i dont see any problem in this.....about optim, yes its stupid play with at most 400 games played, but i know him, he is more better than you , and i dont consider a ffa a competitive game and for this i dont kick him out of the clan...
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 19:36:46

Heyheuhei 
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I have bad opinion about Optim#Elite!, he always run from games with me
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 19:40:50


Richard Sharpe 
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HHH, given his prereqs that is no surprise.

Really no justification for having such limitations other than wanting easy victories. It would be one thing if he offered to train/teach them but he did not appear to do so.
Optim#Elite! Manipulates map/cheats?: 7/17/2012 20:11:19


Ska2D2 
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I like a lot of elite players and they are always good to play with ... but I must back up your comment about optim Heyheuhei he's given me one loss through running too quickly - even after he suddenly surrendered (upon hand breaking his iceland bonus early) the other team still thought they we're losing/the game was losable (We voted). And an easy victory from him surrendering abruptly. So I don't play with him anymore.

But also as Belzebub says gnuffone, darkw1ng etc are good opponents and better team-mates.
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