That's the thing. All these guys who think very highly of themselves, some of which have the right, many others don't, play medium earth 1v1 and maybe some 3v3 eu, in addition to some 2v2 ladder if joined. These players get used to these maps so they get better. This is how the human mind works; You get used to it and if you are willing to pick up tricks and use your experience you will get better.

So why all this hate towards the clan? Many play maps completely different than the earth map, like Optim, and are therefore overall good players. Now, I honestly don't understand the max 400 games played, as this is completely useless and stat-boosting, but nevertheless it is his choice. Swez, a day or two ago you played with Optim and bunes I believe against 2 others and myself. You got eliminated and the game was 100% in Optims hand. He won the game regardless. So even if some of these games are stat boosting, one cannot possibly call him or others noobs.

This brings me to belzebu, he is a very aggressive, thick-headed, yet honest player who, when there is a noob on your team or the other, will say exactly that, sometimes a bit more aggressive, sometimes not as. You cannot change his bad attitude towards others, all you can do is challenge him, on earth or eu, greece or any other map as he really does play a very wide range of maps. He, too, boosts his stats when playing noobs but isn't that the point of the game? Let's say you have 2 hours. You can either sit there and wait to play 1 or 2 really good, yet quickly decided games, or 10 regular games with minimal to no prereqs against the average warlight player. When he, or any of us, or you, I assume, open a 1v1, you don't wait for the other to join, check their profile and then join, no, everyone joins regardless of whether it is a pro or a noob.

Guys, don't get me wrong, I know where some of the guys' faults lie, and I know that some of you are simply here for trolling as you don't have an argument, but for the others, leave the clan be. I have not yet encountered any other clan that plays such a variety of maps and games. If you don't like a particular person, don't go against their whole tribe.

After all, can't we all just be friends? ;D

yeah, i'm just jealous of your ladder rating. ever since you joined the ladder i've been trying to think up ways to take you down a notch.

i have no idea why it has my current rating at 1500 though. i was never rated that low, and according to the graph my most recent rating was like 1750.

i have no idea why it has my current rating at 1500 though. i was never rated that low, and according to the graph my most recent rating was like 1750.

That can happen when you leave the ladder. Your games expire until you only have a few left to base a rating on. Typically, people lose their last games before leaving a ladder. So you're left with only a few games to base a rating on and usually those games are losses. Even if they're wins, they're too few to earn a higher rating. Eventually your rating will go to zero when all your games expire.

If you joined again, you'd raise it back up in a heartbeat.

Idfdoggy, can you link me the game you mentioned Optim supposedly won for me? I checked and it seems I haven't played him for months, definitely not recently. From my games with Optim I had similar experience to HHH, he I played some games on Europe with him, he refused to take advise any time claiming he's playing good (which he was not) and ultimately (at least according to his teammates he said that on team chat) I landed on his blacklist after he lost a game...
Anyway you pretty much should know already "why all this hate towards the clan". In general many of you try to pretend to be someone they are not. As far as it goes I don't care, though I am looking forward to you finishing myhand's challenge. Also:
"That's the thing. All these guys who think very highly of themselves, some of which have the right, many others don't, play medium earth 1v1 and maybe some 3v3 eu, in addition to some 2v2 ladder if joined." Yes, that's why all games in [20] League were played had strat 1vs1 settings.
Oh and btw. Belzebub, you really shouldn't brag about cruching x's team in that tournament, you were clearly the weakest link in your team in that game and if not for darkwing's very good early play and gnuff's good play mid-game, you'd be lost.

if i played 1v3 id be lost......you dont say? LoL

The reason I avoid this map is because the bonuses are so messed up and invisible that only if you've carefully considered every single one of them, you can start making some choices. As was said, there's one territory that gives an income of 4. The text is somewhat confusing. And the majority of bonuses are only explained in the text to the left. It's only making the map more irritating than it really needs to be.

Swez, sorry I messed that up. I was thinking about Gnuff, not optim, my bad. Nevertheless, my point stands, if one player does something wrong, don't call on all of us. I am just tired of all this unprovoked hate. Last night I joined a 1v1 game, and once again, I say hi, how's it going and get a "you stupid noob all you #elite players all boost your stats" kind of thing. Why? Why respond in such a manner when confronted with a sympathetic hello? It makes no sense. Also, this thread, this guy has no clue how the map is played and makes rather aggressive accusation, then some guys who should absolutely have no right, go on to say the usual "they boost their stats" etc. When I started playing warlight I sucked a lot and all I cared about was stats, as they look cool. Now I realize that I want to just play competitively while still having fun. When there are no good games open, I open or join a regular game.

It has come to the point here in the community where, if you don't want to be harassed and accused of cheating or boosting stats, that you need to hide your stats. I hid my stats a while ago because of this lone reason, I am tired of all this unprovoked hate.

One more thing. Getting back to the quality of #elite players. Some may not be on your level, swez, or dunga, hhh, unknown and co. but other may very well be or will be soon. Some want to play competitive games, such as the ladder, others don't. Fizzer gave us the option of creating games with filter so that one can make the wanted game. If Optim decided to want to play noobs or newbies, then let him do that.

Belzebu can be a very cool guy and has been a valuable teammate in every single game we played, well as others, so instead of hating on him or Optim, or any #elite player you may or may not even know, just be friendly and you will be payed with respect. If one of the players is rude or mean, then be rude or mean back, but don't provoke.

Swez, you go on to talk about myhands challenge. I am not aware of the whole situation but all I know is that bel, along with 2 others, has indeed fought him and won. Correct me if I am wrong. Bel is good, myhands is good, so I wouldn't mind such a game.

Lastly, the reason I am talking to you mostly, is because the other players here seem to only want to provoke and not give constructive criticism.

I'm 1-2 against Belzebu, the two losses were on real life europe which is how he has such great stats. My win was on medium earth.

I'm 2-0 against darkw1ng but I would consider him a good player.

I am 2-0 against Gnuffone, one game on real life europe and one on medium earth.

I'm 1-0 against Thanatos, played on real life europe.

I'm 1-0 against Ottarin, on medium earth.

So added together I'm 5-0 against #Elite! members on Medium Earth and 2-2 on Real-Life Europe. I wouldn't consider that an elite clan if I can beat them well over half the times I play them on 1v1.

I think all of you are good but I don't know any of you that I would consider "Elite"

•(2) USA East 1 vs USA Central 2 - Europe 3vs3 NC (Won)
•USA East 1 vs USA Central 2 - Europe 3vs3 NC (Won)
•USA East 1 vs USA Central 2 - 7v7 (Playing)
•Clan League (Declined)
•France 3v3: Round of 16 (Won)
•[P] [X] 1v1 Training: Game 32 (Won)

Games against jsa....

Are you kidding me? That is the official !elite version? That you won?
You are more and more becoming like fox news. I dont renember any!! game where !elite could win against me and teammembers of my choice, now you find me a game to prove me wrong.

If you continue spreading rumors like that i will make all my games with !elite public, for everybody to see. Also I will express my opinion in a less friendly manner than i did before.

This is the 1st game of the challenge:
http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2733097

This is the 2nd game of the challenge:
http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2868826

maybe in the eyes of !elite that is a victory ... it would match your selective perception of reality.

elite is not a team of individualist players like apex or others, but i have created this clan to have good teamates in eu or others map....and you have always lost vs us in teamplay.....

myhand dont be stupid, no one of use have consider that game a won......but 7 days at turn is unacceptable

@foggy:

I say hi, how's it going and get a "you stupid noob all you #elite players all boost your stats" kind of thing. Why? Why respond in such a manner when confronted with a sympathetic hello?

Try Googling "prejudice"...

It makes no sense.

Agreed :(

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@belzebub:

i have created this clan

Maybe this is a stupid question, but why don't you have the clan-tag in your name then?

myhand;

"I am not aware of the whole situation but all I know is that bel, along with 2 others, has indeed fought him and won. Correct me if I am wrong. Bel is good, myhands is good, so I wouldn't mind such a game."

Bitte lies doch mal richtig. Ich war mir nicht mehr ganz sicher, nur habe ich dieses eine Spiel im Kopf gehabt. Da muss man doch nicht so reagieren. Wollte in keiner Weise dich angreifen damit.

Belzebub, who are you referring to in "you have always lost vs us in teamplay"?

@Idfdoggy, I'm curious which of them you'd say are at the level of HHH. Anyway some of you guys are easy to get along, I played quite a lot with Burning Bridges and Gnuffone and both of them were open to advise and discussion. Belzebub on the other hand having played 6K games should be around HHH level, but clearly is not. One more thing, I think you contradict yourself a bit... on one hand you say we should just let Optim make games when he plays with noobs, on the other he is "Elite"... It's kind of hypocritical in my eyes, though as I said, as far as I'm concerned, I'm only interested in the result of myhand's challenge.

Huzzah! I am a combined 5-0 (to my knowledge) against P and Elite. That means I am better than all of them combined!

Military Maniac, Sorry I forgot about you.

Belzebu, I have played 3 team games against you, a 2v2 where my teammate got booted before the first turn, and 2 3v3's where my teammates were not very good...If you played against me where I had good teammates, I think I would probably beat you.

"Belzebub on the other hand having played 6K games should be around HHH level, but clearly is not."

I guess that's what happens when almost all your games are played on a fixed map against weak opposition.

Swez, don't have much time right now so just a quick response. Why would that be a contradiction? What I am trying to say is even the best players sometimes play against noobs. Unless you restrict yourself to playing ONLY the top players of course but that would simply be boring imo.
As for the "elite" term, bel made the clan a while ago and people joined because they enjoyed playing games with us or wanted to be part of the clan, not because we claim to be the best. The only thing is that the tag suggests that. It's a wargame, the name elite is 100% legitimate I think. On the contrary, all the others, jsa for instance, keeps on claiming to be better. What is all this childish fuss these player are making of us. For goodness sake, I urge you all to stop attacking us unless we say something offensive to you.

Idfdoggy, sorry if it came across as me trying to say I was better. I didn't mean to say I was better. I was meaning that your clan is not elite like your tag suggests. I'm not making fun of you, I'm just pointing out you are not elite. If your clan was named something else I wouldn't have posted. I just don't like people saying they are elite when imo they arent.