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Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 14:28:44

Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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This could be used on any map
I am going to try it with my son
We both love the Roman Imperium map for two players with certain rules which I think are commonly played with on here
We like random starts because it shakes the game around a bit but then also some games are over really even before a round is played or within a few rounds so ...
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 14:32:35

Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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I have an idea that I am going to try with him but maybe it is fundamentally flawed and more experienced players might realise right away hence the forum post
I will give a concrete example but it could be any set up really with two players
The computer chooses ten starter squares and we then go through rounds of choosing
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 14:39:03

Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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This would happen in the chat box and then involve a custom scenario creation
For the first choice we both declare together if we both choose differently then we both get our choice of territory
If we both choose the same then we flip a coin for who gets it and the player that lost gets to choose a different territory
That player also now has what is called the "advantage"
We then two round two but now knowing what the other person has chosen so far
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 14:46:23

Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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If in that round both players choose the same again then the person with the advantage gets the choice and the other player chooses unapposed and now takes procession of the advantage
And so it continues until all territories have been chosen
I would then need to end that game and create a custom scenario with our respective starting territories
It is not something I have done before but ideally the person ...
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 14:49:09

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Couldn't you fit all the previous posts in a single post??
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 14:50:04


JK_3 
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Mark, for the love of God and all that's holy,

Please do NOT use 4 posts for a single messages!!!
There is no character/word limit on forum posts, and even if you are on mobile, you can just keep typing and scroll up and down your text box.
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 14:50:51

Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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who holds the advantage would then get first move on the first go
That is the main idea but it could be tweaked a bit by saying this person has advantage before making the first choice but I am not sure that changes anything
Or advantage goes ABBAABB
Or advantage goes random then other player then random again
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 14:55:08

Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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I hope what I have put makes sense
The idea is to even out territory distribution but choices are based on knowledge of what territories have been allocated so far
(I realise there is skill but different skill and IMHO more luck in the current way of choosing manually starting territories)
Comments welcomed
Thanks
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 14:57:21


JK_3 
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Mark you have used 6 post to post a single message now......

Edited 2/18/2020 14:57:35
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 15:00:13

Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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Well I do have a limit on the length of chat on Android mobile
Otherwise I would of course put it all under one and far better for being so
Don't believe me ?
Try it or ask a friend to try it
Shame to take the forum thread off topic but there we go
Let's straddle both
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 15:01:20

Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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Apologies in due course either from myself or you
Check it out !!!
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 15:03:49


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Protip: use the browser on your phone to post in the forum. Has some cool advantages like being able too see what you type :)

Sent from Safari: iPhone.


On topic, this is already possible. Map makers can add distributions to their maps. Also players can use custom scenario. They work slightly different but both archives what you are asking for
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 15:04:02


JK_5
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I will try to make a really long post, this is done from the Android app.

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For the daughter of Pharaoh Hatshepsut, see Neferure.

Neferefre Isi (fl. 25th century BC; also known as Raneferef, Ranefer and in Greek as Χέρης, Cherês) was an ancient Egyptian pharaoh, likely the fourth but also possibly the fifth ruler of the Fifth Dynasty during the Old Kingdom period. He was most likely the eldest son of pharaoh Neferirkare Kakai and queen Khentkaus II, known as prince Ranefer before he ascended to the throne.

NeferefreRaneferef, Neferefra, Noufirre, Noufirefre, Cherês

Statuette of Neferefre, painted limestone[1]

PharaohReignProbably two years or less[2] in the early to mid 25th century BC [note 1] (5th Dynasty)PredecessorNeferirkare Kakai (most likely) or ShepseskareSuccessorShepseskare (most likely) or Nyuserre Ini

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Consortlikely Khentkaus IIIChildrenuncertain, either Menkauhor Kaiu ♂ or Shepseskare ♂
Nakhtsare ♂
Conjectural: Kakaibaef ♂FatherNeferirkare KakaiMotherKhentkaus IIDiedaged 20–23[21]BurialPyramid of NeferefreMonumentsPyramid Netjeribau Raneferef
Sun temple Hotep-Re

Neferefre started a pyramid for himself in the royal necropolis of Abusir called Netjeribau Raneferef, which means "The bas of Neferefre are divine". The pyramid was never finished, with a mason's inscription showing works on the stone structure were abandoned during or shortly after the king's second year of reign. Together with the sparsity of attestations contemporaneous with his reign, this is taken by Egyptologists as evidence that Neferefre died unexpectedly after two to three years on the throne. Neferefre was nonetheless buried in his pyramid, hastily completed in the form of a mastaba by his second successor and presumably younger brother, pharaoh Nyuserre Ini. Fragments of his mummy were uncovered there, showing that he died in his early twenties.

Little is known of Neferefre's activities beyond laying the foundations of his pyramid and attempting to finish that of his father. A single text shows that Neferefre had planned or just started to build a sun temple called Hotep-Re, meaning "Ra is content" or "Ra's offering table", which possibly never functioned as such given the brevity of the king's reign. After his death, Neferefre might have been succeeded by an ephemeral and little-known pharaoh, Shepseskare, whose relation with Neferefre remains highly uncertain and debated.

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ContemporaneousEdit

There are very few archaeological sources contemporaneous with Neferefre, a fact which is now seen by Egyptologists, including Miroslav Verner, to imply a very short reign.[22] In particular, as of 2017, only one inscription dated to his rule is known. It was left by the builders of his pyramid on a corner block at the end of the corridor leading to the pyramid substructures.[23] The inscription was written on the fourth day of the Akhet season in the year of first occurrence of the cattle count, an event consisting of counting the livestock throughout the country to evaluate the amount of taxes to be levied. It is traditionally believed that such counts occurred every two years during the Old Kingdom[24] although recent reappraisals have led Egyptologists to posit a less regular and somewhat more frequent count.[25] Therefore, the inscription must refer to Neferefre's first or second year on the throne, and his third year at the very latest.[note 3][26] Finally, a few artefacts dated to Neferefre's rule or shortly after have been uncovered in his mortuary complex and elsewhere in Abusir,[note 4] such as clay seals bearing his Horus name.[28]

Some of the Abusir Papyri discovered in Khentkhaus II's temple and dating to the mid- to late Fifth Dynasty mention the mortuary temple and funerary cult of Neferefre. They constitute a written source near-contemporaneous with his reign, which not only confirmed the existence of Neferefre's pyramid complex at a time when it had not yet been identified,[29] but also gives details regarding the administrative organisation and importance of the funerary cult of the king in Ancient Egyptian society.[30]

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Cartouche of Neferefre on the Abydos king list

Neferefre is present on several Ancient Egyptian king lists, all dating to the New Kingdom period. The earliest such list mentioning Neferefre is the Abydos King List, written during the reign of Seti I (fl. 1290–1279 BC), and where his prenomen occupies the 29th entry, between those of Neferirkare Kakai and Nyuserre Ini.[31] During the subsequent reign of Ramses II (fl. 1279–1213 BC), Neferefre appears on the Saqqara Tablet,[32] this time after Shepseskare, that is as a second successor to Neferirkare Kakai. Owing to a scribal error, Neferefre's name on this list is given as "Khanefere" or "Neferkhare".[33] Neferefre's prenomen was in all probability also given on the Turin canon (third column, 21st row), which dates to the same period as the Saqqara tablet, but it has since been lost in a large lacuna affecting the document. Nonetheless, the part of the reign length attributed to Neferefre by the canon is still legible, with a single stroke sign indicating one year of reign to which a decade could in principle be added, as the corresponding sign would be effectively lost in the lacuna of the document.[23]

Neferefre was also likely mentioned in the Aegyptiaca, a history of Egypt written in the 3rd century BC during the reign of Ptolemy II (283–246 BC) by the Egyptian priest Manetho. No copies of the Aegyptiaca have survived to this day and it is now known only through later writings by Sextus Julius Africanus and Eusebius. Africanus relates that the Aegyptiaca mentioned the succession "Nefercherês → Sisirês → Cherês" for the mid-Fifth Dynasty. Nefercherês, Sisirês and Cherês are believed to be the hellenized forms for Neferirkare, Shepseskare and Neferkhare (that is Neferefre), respectively. Thus, Manetho's reconstruction of the Fifth Dynasty is in good agreement with the Saqqara tablet.[31] In Africanus' epitome of the Aegyptiaca, Cherês is reported to have reigned for 20 years.[34]

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Menkauhor Kaiu could be a son of Neferefre and Khentkaus III.

Neferefre was, in all likelihood, the eldest son of his predecessor pharaoh Neferirkare Kakai with queen Khentkaus II.[3][5][35] This is shown by a relief on a limestone slab discovered in a house in the village near Abusir[36] and depicting Neferirkare and his wife Khentkaus with "the king's eldest son Ranefer",[note 5][37] a name identical with some variants of Neferefre's own.[38] This indicates that Ranefer was Neferefre's name when he was still only a crown prince, that is, before his accession to the throne.[39]

Neferirkare and Khentkaus had at least another son, the future king Nyuserre Ini. In addition, since the relation between Shepseskare and Neferefre remains uncertain, it is possible that the two were brothers too, as suggested by the Egyptologist Silke Roth,[40] although other hypotheses on the matter have been proposed: Verner sees Shepseskare as a son of Sahure and hence Neferefre's uncle, while Jaromír Krejčí believes Shepseskare was Neferefre's son.[41] Finally, yet another brother,[42] possibly younger[43] than both Neferefre and Nyuserre has also been proposed: Iryenre, a prince iry-pat[note 6] whose filiation is suggested by the fact that his funerary cult was associated with that of his mother, both having taken place in the temple of Khentkaus II.[45][46]

Consort and childrenEdit

Until 2014, no consort of Neferefre was known.[41][47] Late in that year, the mastaba of Khentkaus III was discovered by archaeologists from the Czech Institute of Egyptology working in Abusir, south east of Neferefre's pyramid.[48][49][50] The location and date of the tomb as well as inscriptions found in it strongly suggest that Khentkaus III was Neferefre's queen.[51] Indeed, not only was Khentkaus III presumably buried during the few decades following Neferefre's reign, but her mastaba is also in close proximity to his pyramid,[note 7] and she bore the title of "king's wife", proving that she was a queen.[48]

In addition, Khentkaus III was also called "king's mother" by inscriptions in her tomb, indicating that her son had become pharaoh. Since Neferefre's second successor Nyuserre Ini is known to have been his brother rather than his son, and since Khentkaus III might have been buried during Nyuserre's reign, as indicated by mud seals,[48] this only leaves either Neferefre's ephemeral successor Shepseskare or Nyuserre's successor Menkauhor Kaiu as possibilities.[48] There is an ongoing debate in Egyptology concerning these two alternatives. Verner posits that Shepseskare was an uncle of Neferefre and therefore that Menkauhor Kaiu was Neferefre's son. Meanwhile, Krejčí views the opposite hypothesis, that Shepseskare was Neferefre's son
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 15:05:53


JK_3 
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Damn, you're right, there is indeed a limit.

Here is the original page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neferefre

However, you could still fit those 6 posts into a single one

EDIT: In your defense, the mail/forum interface on the Android app really sucks tho

EDIT: Since copy pasting works, maybe try to use the build in note app from your phone to type, and than copy the text to WZ?

Edited 2/18/2020 15:19:22
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 15:15:03

Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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Shame to have gone so off topic but there is no way I could enter that in on my vanilla pixel 2 phone with Android 10
And at the end it goes funny on text entries with it not "working right" try it on manual data entry rather than copy and paste
I use app as my interface I accept that maybe I should ideally use different interfaces for different things - despite that being a pain
But sadly when I joined the community and made posts it would have never occurred to me toooo
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 15:19:43

Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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to use different interfaces
Hey even the forum is on the app sweet etc.
Interestingly that previous post hits its limit on the final t and then I hit some o's but they did not appear until I thought okay full up and hit post and there they were
In case it makes a difference I use gboard Google's own keyboard interface so maybe it is a restriction/bug within or interfacing with that
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 15:21:50

Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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Maybe a forum moderator could split this thread into two topics

And thanks for the solutions suggested to my problems on posting
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 15:22:55


JK_3 
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The issue seems to be with the textbox on your phone then, since the text you type but can't see still exists (based on the "toooo"). I don't know how to fix that, maybe report it as a bug on: https://www.warzone.com/ReportBug
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 18:07:13

Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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I have checked it with three different keyboards and all have the same problem.
But not when using normal phone text messages
Text messages box has problems with warzone not just on forum but also in game chat
Copy and paste work differently from keyboard input

So try not to moan to much about someone not doing things "right" because they may being doing them as right as they can with the software and not even
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 18:08:34


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yeah, my bad, I didn't realize it was a technical issue. But since it is, you should report it as a bug to Fizzer.
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 18:10:30

Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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start to know the quirks of use what interface for what

Why on earth would I ?

I had just always assumed it was a deliberate warzone limitation !

Anyway I shall bug report and then use browser for forum posts in future until fixed
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 18:12:49

Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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My original thread has been well and truly hijacked and gone off topic
Any chance of a moderator sorting this thread out or should I copy and paste and start again in browser
What do the forum police advise
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 18:13:49


JK_3 
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I don't think they can split threads, so you should probably make a new one

EDIT: or we just restart the thread in this thread

Edited 2/18/2020 18:14:27
Going To Try A New Starting System Comments Wanted: 2/18/2020 18:17:34


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RESTART OF THIS THREAD:
This could be used on any map
I am going to try it with my son
We both love the Roman Imperium map for two players with certain rules which I think are commonly played with on here
We like random starts because it shakes the game around a bit but then also some games are over really even before a round is played or within a few rounds so I have an idea that I am going to try with him but maybe it is fundamentally flawed and more experienced players might realise right away hence the forum post
I will give a concrete example but it could be any set up really with two players
The computer chooses ten starter squares and we then go through rounds of choosing

This would happen in the chat box and then involve a custom scenario creation
For the first choice we both declare together if we both choose differently then we both get our choice of territory
If we both choose the same then we flip a coin for who gets it and the player that lost gets to choose a different territory
That player also now has what is called the "advantage"
We then two round two but now knowing what the other person has chosen so far

If in that round both players choose the same again then the person with the advantage gets the choice and the other player chooses unapposed and now takes procession of the advantage
And so it continues until all territories have been chosen
I would then need to end that game and create a custom scenario with our respective starting territories
It is not something I have done before but ideally the person who holds the advantage would then get first move on the first go
That is the main idea but it could be tweaked a bit by saying this person has advantage before making the first choice but I am not sure that changes anything
Or advantage goes ABBAABB
Or advantage goes random then other player then random again

I hope what I have put makes sense
The idea is to even out territory distribution but choices are based on knowledge of what territories have been allocated so far
(I realise there is skill but different skill and IMHO more luck in the current way of choosing manually starting territories)
Comments welcomed
Thanks

By: Mark-Dad-Of-Two (https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=81112605245)

Edited 2/18/2020 21:35:12
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