"if you can even have morality without religion, which is another debate entiely"

What a comment. Are you claiming that morality and spirituality are exclusively intertwined? Am I as a non-believer consequently incapable of being good? As Christopher Hitchens puts it, is there a moral statement uttered, or an ethical action performed by a believer, that I could not do or say as a non-believer?
Look at Nietzsche to know that having a framework of moral values doesn't have to be sustained by an omniscient being, or follow Kant's categorical imperitive (which could replace the entire bible imo if we are just talking about being good citizens).

Edited 2/3/2020 08:40:23

Sorry, worded badly - basically what I meant was, without God, where the heck does morality come from? If life is purely a result of a bunch of accidental chemical reactions, then why are some things "good" and others "bad"?

If there is no god, there is no morality.

And completely besides that, I am going to pull out a quote which I think is none the less true for being used a lot. If the world happened by accident, and your evolution was by accident, therefore your thoughts are an accidental result of accidental chemical reactions, so give me one good reason why I should listen to one accident's account of all the others?

Edited 2/3/2020 09:51:36

Actually, this was quite interesting (from the Nietzsche Wikipedia page)
"Nietzsche claimed the death of God would eventually lead to the loss of any universal perspective on things, and along with it any coherent sense of objective truth."

Cringey... This thread makes me question religion in a negative way, but keep going by all means.

If people could address any future complaints about this thread to my mail, that would be appreciated. Debate about the content is different, though.

Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.
—Philippians 2:3


Humility is recognizing who God has made us to be and using that recognition to serve and redeem others. Living in humility as Jesus did, we don't just practice the golden rule, but we go one step better — we treat others better than we would treat ourselves. Are we instructed to do this because we're unworthy or unfit? No! Jesus was worthy and glorious, but he chose to treat others better than himself when he sacrificially gave himself to redeem them. It's a high standard. It's a hard standard. It is not for wimps. But it is ultimately glorious. (Hint: Read down through verse 10 and remember that the same type of reward will be given to the faithful!)

By frame of reference of He Himself, I mean using God to justify God.

Haha that's the same thing as if i made a thread about pokemon, cause i like pokemon and i think pokemon could improve your life if you let them be part of your life. Then I and someone else are taking turns naming all pokemons one after another. When people tell me it's silly i just answer that they can in future adress these complaints to me directly and keep naming pokemons :D

Well, related to the above argument, here's a verse with its commentary. @Johnny Yes, God did eliminate my anger towards most useless things, like someone posting lyrics to modern songs. You'll probably say I'm lying though.

Romans 3:10-12, 19-20 - "as it is written, "There is none righteous, not even one; There is none who understands, there is none who seeks for God; All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, there is not even one...
Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin."

Commentary - "They have all diverged from the right way, they have either abandoned or corrupted the worship of God: the Jews, in forsaking the law and the prophets, and the Gentiles, in acting contrary to the law which God had written on their hearts. And the departure of both from the truth proves the evil propensity of human nature in general.
On the score of obedience to this moral law, there shall no flesh, no human being, be justified; none can be accepted in the sight of God. And why? Because by the law is the knowledge of sin: it is that which ascertains what sin is; shows how men have deviated from its righteous demands; and sentences them to death because they have broken it. Thus the law is properly considered as the rule of right; and, unless God had given some such means of discovering what Sin is, the darkened heart of man could never have formed an adequate conception of it. For, as an acknowledged straight edge is the only way in which the straightness or crookedness of a line can be determined, so the moral obliquity of human actions can only be determined by the law of God; that rule of right which proceeds from his own immaculate holiness."

Yes, Christianity offers a philosophical framework with which to live your life, but so does philosophy! I like to read stoic philosophy (in case my profile wasn't obvious enough), and it helps me, particularly on days that have been long and stressful, and even when I am close to tears. I don't need faith in God to endure the hardships of life. I can see the allure of religion, I can see why people resort to belief in God, belief that everything will be alright when they die in some hypothetical afterlife, and I'm ok with that, live and let live. Please keep this part of your life private however, this is a game, and I would like it to be kept secular. Can you imagine if believers from every religion started posting daily updates on threads like these? Players would rightly ask Fizzer to do something about it. You shouldn't get a pass just because you're the only ones doing it.

On a more positive note, a player bought me Royal Blue recently and it made me happier than I thought it would, I even told my girlfriend (she's real I promise) and she was happy that I was happy about something that seemed so trivial to her (can you imagine a grown ass man telling his girl that his internet friend bought him a colour he can play with? Yh, exactly). I would make the case that this player is more Christian than any of you, he has made one of God's creatures happy, your circlejerk thread means diddly-squat to anyone but yourselves.

I repeat what I said in my original complaint. I'm not trying to rain on your parade here, and I appreciate that you guys think you are doing God's work or something by spreading his word, but just look at the reaction this thread is provoking from outside players, surely this is the wrong way to market Christianity to non-believers? Start a discord and invite anybody who's interested to it. Matter of fact, the discord I'm in gives me random bible verses if I type in "+random", and I think that's pretty cool.

One more time, I don't want to discuss religion (because in my experience I have had more productive conversations with a wall), I'm just kindly asking you to have this religious exercise elsewhere. Additionally, I want to make it clear that I have Christian friends, they're kind to me, and I'm kind to them, and I'm ok that deep down they think I will burn in hell for an eternity, but until that time comes, I'm just gonna enjoy the ride.

If there is a god, and he truly is as wise as you claim him to be, let him judge me when my time comes, for now, let me enjoy this beautiful life he has (allegedly) given me.

Edit: Wanted to add this beautiful story.

Eskimo: 'If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?' Priest: 'No, not if you did not know.' Eskimo: 'Then why did you tell me?'

Edited 2/3/2020 22:42:08

@Aura, I get why you are asking that, however the Bible only makes sense if you accept the possibility that there is a God and that the Bible is His Word.

But if you would like me to give reasons why I am convinced both scientifically and historically of God's existence, then I'd be happy to in another thread - just let me know! This thread is for Bible verses, so here's one!


And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; and perseverance, character; and character, hope. Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
Romans 5:3‭-‬5 NKJV

Commentary: Again, I think this one mostly explains itself. We shouldn't despair at being faced with trials, because trials bring out character such as perseverance and hope in us, which are the more powerful because of our love of God. I might be interpreting this incorrectly, but that's what this discussion is for.

@Marcus, returning to your original argument is (in my opinion) a bit silly, because I have already pointed out that this thread is in the off-topic forum where anything is fair game, so long as people know what they are in for when they click the title. As I have already mentioned, I asked Fizzer about this, and he is fine with our thread because it fits into the above category.

And if you get annoyed by something as simple as seeing a thread titled Verse of the Day, then I think you'll be spending a lot of time in your life annoyed.

Also, your story is questionable, simply because theologically, nobody knows what happens to people who have never heard the Gospel. My best guess is that since everyone is descend from one family who did know God, every culture has some knowledge of God - however, due to our flawed nature (and the deceit of Satan), we got it wrong and the result was the pagan religions that almost every culture on earth once (if not still does) worship.

So my belief is that people who have not heard the gospel will burn in hell, because they will be judged against the laws of righteousness that have been in existence since the dawn of time, and since all have sinned, I believe that judgement will be hell. However, that is my opinion, not necessarily theological truth.

Edited 2/3/2020 22:37:58

agree whole-heartily LND!! :D

"And if you get annoyed by something as simple as seeing a thread titled Verse of the Day, then I think you'll be spending a lot of time in your life annoyed."

This is a good point and I agree with you. Long day. Usually seeing the thread doesn't annoy me.

@Marcus "Please keep this part of your life private however, this is a game, and I would like it to be kept secular. Can you imagine if believers from every religion started posting daily updates on threads like these?" If believers from every religion posted daily updates, I wouldn't look at those threads because I don't care, as you should. It's an off-topic thread for a reason.
"I would make the case that this player is more Christian than any of you..." I'm glad that you know what our lives look like and how we spend our time.
"... just look at the reaction this thread is provoking from outside players, surely this is the wrong way to market Christianity to non-believers?" The bible is offensive to non-believers, as Jesus said it would be. If you want to disprove Christianity, don't get provoked by people quoting a book, because then God's word wouldn't be offensive to the world. Quoting God's word is the wrong way to get God's word to non-believers? Ok.
Matthew 10:34 - "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." (ie. division because of the fact that Jesus is the only way to God)
John 15:18-19 - “If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you."
"If there is a god, and he truly is as wise as you claim him to be, let him judge me when my time comes..." Why would you want to be judged when it's too late? None of us are preventing you from enjoying your life, we're just posting verses br0. Hebrews 10:31 - "It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
I do hope all of these comments I've responded to were just a result of your long day.

Lots of truth there, Pepe!

And Marcus, I would happily show Christian love to you in any way I can, though these ways are a bit limited on an online game. But five me an opportunity, and I will take it. Just not compromising my beliefs.

But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions — it is by grace you have been saved.
—Ephesians 2:4-5


Thoughts on Today's Verse...
We have no claim to bring to God! We have no right to demand salvation! We have no power within us that can hold on to life! Only God's love can bring us life, hope, and grace. Only God's mercy can bring us salvation. Only God's gift of Christ can awaken us from the death-slumber of sin.

I appreciate this thread has some tangibility to it now... but lets not be creating multiple religious based discussion threads on this site. That would also look bad on a layperson's pov, much less warzone in general, if off topic became a christian board.

And btw, its not that I doubt the existence of a supurior being, my stance on religion essentially boils down to that I don't feel any sort of spiritual need and therefore don't really care to figure it out for myself.

Edited 2/4/2020 14:51:23

off-topic is now a C H R I S T I A N board, get used to it

we shoudnt make off-topic a Christian board... this thread is fine with me and if we want, we can post things more than just Verse of the Day. make it Christ-like ofc -