That is probably the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Wtf kind of panel would exclude the 3v3 EU template? It has been in every single clan league. Let's exclude strat MME/ME too while we are at it.

You are basically saying we cannot vote on EU because you think we are dumb and don't know why we are voting on it. We voted against guiroma last time even though it has been there from the start.

Edited 11/24/2019 05:35:25

Both Guiroma 1v1 and Guiroma 2v2 were picked last clan league, just an fyi :P

Actually this has been done for Strat MME and Strat ME already, they alternate between cls so either of them wouldn't be in two consecutive cls, this has been practice at least for the last couple of cls (not sure how long before that since i wasn't around back then) and from what i have seen it has worked fine, so there's both precedence and actual proof that this kind of system works, so in this regard doing same for templates like EU and FE so that they're not on two consecutive cls seems just logical, also it gives other templates a chance to get more popular (there's not many high level competitions for teamgames, especially for 3v3s, with cl being the expection and EU taking half of the room for 3v3 templates EVERY cl doesn't really help other 3v3 templates to get their shot at getting popular)

Of course if they exclude EU and FE on next cl as well then that might be a problem, but if those templates are handled like MME and ME are currently i don't see the problem really, seems like it just brings more variety and gives other templates their shot

Edited 11/24/2019 06:15:08

Just to give a bit of information on how many times templates have been played.

1v1 ME WR 16% 		(CL1)x2, (CL2)x4, (CL3)x4, (CL4)x4, (CL5)
1v1 ME WR 0%		(CL5), (CL6), (CL7), (CL9), (CL11)
1v1 ME SR 0%		(CL6), (CL7), (CL8)
1v1 MME SR 0% 		(CL5)
1v1 Guiroma		(CL5), (CL6), (CL7), (CL8), (CL9), (CL10), (CL11)
Battle Islands V 	(CL5), (CL6), (CL7), (CL8), (CL10)
Turkey LD 		(CL5), (CL7)
Strat Greece 		(CL6), (CL7), (CL8), (CL9), (CL10)
Poland		 	(CL6)
French Brawl 		(CL8), (CL10)
Treasure Map 		(CL8)
1v1 Volcano Island 	(CL9)
Phobia 			(CL9)
Elitist Africa 		(CL9), (CL10), (CL11)
Pangea Ultima 		(CL10)
Hannibal 		(CL11)
1v1 Biomes of America 	(CL11)
British Raj 		(CL11)


2v2 ME WR 16% 		(CL1)x2, (CL2)x2, (CL3), (CL4)x2, (CL5)
2v2 ME SR 0% 		(CL7), (CL8)
2v2 EA&O 		(CL3), (CL5)
2v2 Szeuropa 		(CL5), (CL6), (CL7), (CL10)
2v2 China 		(CL6), (CL8), (CL9)
2v2 Guiroma 		(CL6), (CL7), (CL9), (CL11)
2v2 Final Earth 	(CL8), (CL9), (CL10), (CL11)
2v2 Volcano Islands 	(CL10)
2v2 Cookies 		(CL11)

3v3 EU WR 16% 		(CL1), (CL2), (CL5)x2
3v3 EU WR 0% 		(CL3), (CL4), (CL6), (CL7)
3v3 EU SR 0% 		(CL6), (CL7), (CL8), (CL9), (CL10), (CL11)
3v3 Great Lakes 	(CL8)
3v3 Deadman's ROR 	(CL9)
3v3 Biomes of America 	(CL10), (CL11)

Edited 11/24/2019 06:53:44

Little history: I want to be good in 3v3 EU because I know that its a template that never be out to the Clan League. I want to train a lot. We can clan! We can!

CL12: Eu 3v3 out... Me: :(((((((((

lol
3v3 ladders left

Edited 11/24/2019 15:18:04

https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=80964

Europa Magna map is pending public with new version 1.2 that have an issue solved on the "A" (black) bonuses that had 8 income.

Thanks for Kris for report this issue.

https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=26103798275

https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=80964

Europa Magna map is pending public with new version 1.2 that have an issue solved on the "A" (black) bonuses that had 8 income.

Thanks for Kris for report this issue.

https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=26103798275

Update:

As the list of templates was published, the Clan League Panel has discussed about leaving 2v2 Final Earth and 3v3 Europe out of the nominated list. We have no great indication of what people who play in division A or B (whom the voting is limited to) want to play. The most accurate metric we have is the voting behavior of the past seasons. We feel like, given the past voting behavior, that these two templates should not be excluded when it comes to a vote. The Template Panel was given the objective to diversify the templates; they've not failed to do so. However, we feel like this objective should not have been given to the Template Panel; we have always let the community vote on templates, therefore the removal of two templates that always passed said vote should not be done without our usual voting mechanisms. If the goal is to diversify the template pool, they should be picked directly and not be put up to a vote by the community.

The new template list on which clans will vote on is as follows:

3v3 (2 templates will be played)
Biomes
Deadman's ROR
Europa Magna
India
Europe
If the two INSS templates (Biomes and Europa Magna) finish #1 and #2, the #2 will be dropped and replaced by the #3.

2v2s (3 templates will be played)
China
Greater Middle East
Strat MME
Szeurope
Unicorn Island
Volcano Island
Final Earth

1v1s (6 templates will be played)
Biomes
Battle Islands V
Blitzkrieg Bork
French Brawl
Landria
Macedonia No Split
Malvia
Phobia WR
Strat Greece
Strat MME
Timid Land
Tor-ture

Guiroma and strat ME has shown to be consistent choices by the community over the seasons, so i would like to get those included.... Also i think BI V MA is a more popular MA temp then bork so it likely should be changed to that

Edited 11/24/2019 22:39:54

So farah (who is known to like 3v3 EU) announces that the decision of template panel will be modified to include 3v3 EU, yet no mention to also add 1v1 guiroma back is made (which cowboy just told us has been in more consecutive cls than 3v3 EU has been, and by the same logic farah used as a argument to modify template panel's decision and add 3v3 EU and 2v2 FE back 1v1 guiroma should have been definitely added back)...

Anyone else thinks this looks like a really biased decision?

I probably can't give you the specifics of who voted how on the CL panel, but i tried to make the case to add 1v1 guiroma back as well. Also, i doubt i'll be playing 3v3 europe in CL. I do like the template. RT. With alts.

Wow, you guys have no spine. Lol.

You have basically said there's no point to the template panel then, so why don't we just vote on everything that was nominated? Small Earth is pretty popular with a subset of players and never even gets a chance.

#FreeSmallEarth

Thank you Clan League panel for wasting the time of everyone on the template panel. I think I can speak for rakleader, Xenophon, Njord, and Super Smoove in saying that we had nothing better to do with our time, so it was greatly appreciated that you gave us the opportunity to spend it in such a pointless manner.

That being said, next time you ask me to help you out, I think i will respectfully decline, as I can tell you don't value my judgement.

Thank you again.

I don't have a problem with playing new stuff in all seriousness, but it kindof sucks to play something you have never seen. Especially a team template. On a 1v1, you can probably find someone in your clan that has played it. In 3v3 it is much harder to field a team.

Not sure the solution to that. Maybe if we are considering a new template try to have some tournaments with people who played in the previous CL invited so we can at least get exposure. Or simply more time between CLs so we can practice some?

I always thought the point of the template panel was to remove redundant templates and non strategic ones, while also providing new strategic options?

In the past it wasn't really to limit choice, it was just to protect us from stupid templates and having too many similar ones.

Were they charged with something more this season? I am not being snarky, i literally have no idea as i don't frequent the forums or discord a lot outside our own clan one.

Edited 11/25/2019 01:57:46

(Copy pasted from Discord)

Why make a forum post and now confusing everyone.
This messes up schedule, it messes up leaders. It makes so much needless confusion.
The template panel as far as I'm concerned, involving GME 2v2 and Europa Magma is crap.
There are no options for variety if your going for a template that has every card allowed under the sun and a map that's broken.
All the 2v2 templates are the same practically. 0% SR.
Develop new templates and pitch them out.
So for this reason, I couldn't care if EU and Final Earth is removed. It's a different canvass (map) but with the same paints/materials (Settings)
So adding Final Earth and Europe makes no difference really. Yeah, argue about small differences but on the topic of variety, the idea was big differences (Deadman RoR would qualify, since big super bonuses changes the template big time).
But let's get to the stupid sentence.
"The Template Panel was given the objective to diversify the templates; they've not failed to do so. However, we feel like this objective should not have been given to the Template Panel;"
Why give it to them in the first place?
Why waste their time?
Why overrule them without consulting?

I can taste someone decided to voice their opinion and change the direction of this templates journey. You don't get a shift in direction like this.
Apologise, keep or revoke the decision, someone has to make a decision on this shitshow and get it back on track @Cowboy .

Very much love, your friendly irish player. Platinum x

@Chris - cutting down the templates to a certain number always limits choice.

Also, I was on the template panel last year and we were asked to consider variety. We left EU and FE in as "traditional" options, but it's not like the directive was completely changed.

I wasn't happy with this decision myself, as I feel it was disrespectful to force the panel to change the list of templates just because of either a small mistake on my part or a disagreement on a role of the panel by Clan League leaders.
To everyone on the Template Panel, I'm sorry to have wasted your time, and I'll try to be much more forthcoming with my messages and inclusions to the other members in the future. I totally understand anyone's decision not to join the panel in the future from this fiasco.
That being said, I did give members of the panel equal power to me, so they do have the right to veto any of my decisions as they see fit, it was one of the ways to keep full transparency and limit my role and power in the community as many wished.

I will not comment any further on this matter, and I wish to move forward.
Deadline is still December 1st, though I will give that as a soft deadline so if you're a day or two late that's fine.

-Cowboy