Absolute rubbish. I assumed he was Catholic simply because it's my best informed religion (I was actually christened in Ireland) :D

I have little respect for religion when it causes people like Julkorn to have such little respect for science. I do however have respect for religion; or at least, the immense power that it has.

in the real world, you are outnumbered

LOL. Why would that bother me? X is correct about me too. I am British, obviously meaning more civilised.

there are more facts baking [backing?] religion

Source please. I can't shake the feeling that this is BS.

This is small minded. Religion has freed the minds of million through the ages, and established morals, that in today's world are vanishing by the day. Why else to we see the degregation in American society? Look through the history books, in every ancient civilization, as the people lost faith in their religion and gained faith in themselves and their technology, they crumbled. The reason being, the morals established by the religion of the people lost value.

Yeah it's also killed millions, brainwashed more and been the cause of more misery than any other single thing, excluding perhaps pathogens. My feelings on religion are not actually this harsh; but I feel I must be harsh to answer the total crap you just posted.

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Backwards hellholes? You mean America by that. Now about you saying that being an Atheist is the majority your dead wrong. Only 16% of the world is unaffiliated with a religion, and an even smaller number is actually considering themselves Atheist. So maybe in your world, religion is backwards, but while Julkhorn is on the topic of abortion, you like a typical liberal, don't focus on that seeing as you have no real logical argument, and instead jump off and begin complaining about war, capitol punishment, and the like. Now understand me Capitol punishment is good, you would rather pay your taxes so the government can keep alive a person that does NOT contribute to society and would rather murder you? That's a waste of money. But anyway, back to Abortion. A nice "Catholic" family as you put it, does not necessarily mean 10 kids, that was a hundred years ago, nowadays, you ignorant cunt, Catholics have regular sized families from 1-3 kids. You are so haughty now, but god help you, if one day, you get into an accident, or have a disease, what are you gonna do then? I know, and you'll deny it, but you'll pray, it's human nature to believe in something.

A poll in 2004 by the BBC put the number of people who do not believe in a God at 39%, while a YouGov poll in the same year put the percentage of non-believers at 35% with 21% answering "Don't Know". In the YouGov poll men were less likely to believe in a god than women, 39% of men and 49% of women, and younger people were less likely to believe in a god than older people. In early 2004, it was announced that atheism would be taught during religious education classes in England.A compilation of some sociological studies indicates that roughly 30-40% of the British population does not have a belief in God and only 8% self identify as convinced atheist.

Backwards hellholes? You mean America by that.

No shit Sherlock, though he actually meant the south.

like a typical liberal

You, like a typical right winger....

Now understand me Capitol punishment is good, you would rather pay your taxes so the government can keep alive a person that does NOT contribute to society and would rather murder you? That's a waste of money.

Factor in holding costs of death row and appeal costs, as well as the moral implication of someone killing another helpless person.

A nice "Catholic" family as you put it, does not necessarily mean 10 kids, that was a hundred years ago, nowadays, you ignorant cunt, Catholics have regular sized families from 1-3 kids

So Catholics had better only have sex three times in their lives; just to make sure? Catholics are forced to have less kids because of the world many of them live in. Go to a less developed area and see how many kids those families have.

You are so haughty now, but god help you, if one day, you get into an accident, or have a disease, what are you gonna do then? I know, and you'll deny it, but you'll pray, it's human nature to believe in something.

If a convinced atheist prays like that, it is because of early exposure to religion. With no outside influence they have no beliefs.

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I did not post total crap, I posted the truth, You choose not to believe and I do not judge you for that, I judge you on the fact that you disregard Julkhorns well intentioned, yet slightly naive, belief in his faith.

What?! Although it is naïve, it is well-intentioned so I should lie down and accept it right? Ha!

Not saying that, merely saying that you dont have to be so mean to him about it.

I'm disputing his point as harshly as he disputed mine. Let's not direct this thread off-topic about 'being mean'.

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*says in hushed voice* but your smarter than he is so the emotional level is not needed.

A nice "Catholic" family as you put it, does not necessarily mean 10 kids, that was a hundred years ago, nowadays, you ignorant cunt, Catholics have regular sized families from 1-3 kids.

well the pope is against contraception, and abortions are obviously out of the question. so are modern catholics having sex 7-9 fewer times than before? or are they just bad catholics? either way they are, because in the bible, god's first command to humans is "go forth and multiply".

Backwards hellholes? You mean America by that.

most of it, yeah. if you look at an electoral map, the red parts.

Now understand me Capitol punishment is good, you would rather pay your taxes so the government can keep alive a person that does NOT contribute to society and would rather murder you? That's a waste of money.

Thou shalt not kill. That which you do unto the least of my brothers, you do unto me.

ps, it's capital punishment with an A. capitol punishment is c-span.

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(Why has Sharpe deleted all his comments on this thread?)

^ Was wondering the same thing.

We must learn how to lead dynamic lives in the face of delusion. Today, science tells us that the essence of nature is nature. Humankind has nothing to lose. We are in the midst of a divine awakening of insight that will tap into the world itself. Dogma is the antithesis of karma. You must take a stand against illusion. The complexity of the present time seems to demand a deepening of our lives if we are going to survive. Without beauty, one cannot self-actualize.

We must learn how to lead unified lives in the face of desire. You may be ruled by illusion without realizing it. Do not let it obliterate the richness of your mission. Yes, it is possible to shatter the things that can sabotage us, but not without faith on our side. We can no longer afford to live with illusion.

Consciousness consists of superpositions of possibilities of quantum energy. “Quantum” means an unfolding of the divine. As you vibrate, you will enter into infinite peace that transcends understanding. Although you may not realize it, you are high-frequency.

Child, look within and unify yourself. Have you found your mission? Awareness is the driver of energy. Soon there will be a condensing of truth the likes of which the multiverse has never seen. The future will be an advanced awakening of potential. This journey never ends.

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Arun, I deleted my comments because they were pointless. Julkorn is not looking to debate or discuss, merely to preach. His position will not be altered no matter the evidence provided. He would deny that the Earth is round if it contradicted his own view.

Basically, he wasn't worthy of my thoughts or opinions on the matter.

You may be ruled by desire without realizing it. Do not let it sabotage the healing of your quest. Yes, it is possible to erase the things that can eliminate us, but not without beauty on our side.

KleinerSteiner, don't take me for a fool. I don't give a damn what you believe if you can't back if up with evidence. Don't enter a debate with exactly what Sharpe just said he disliked about Julkorn; the desire to preach. Unfortunately, you are talking to generally smart people here. We won't be fooled by mumbo jumbo.

Also, you hint that you would like to erase science. Are you trolling here, or are you insane? Would you like to live in the Stone Age?

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"It will be defended until sufficient evidence disproves it"

Then please tell me why did Science under Marxist rule only found EVIDENCE that Marxism is correct? A scientific fact, obviously. Right there. And you do not believe in it? Why is that?

My point is simple and I already stated it with EVIDENCE. Maybe you did not read it. You seem to be referring to Science as to something all truthful bound to nothing and noone in their quest for truth, just as if Science would be some divine spiritual being changing all those people, once they became scientists, into some utter slaves of truth.

Let me tell you: This is not the case.

There is no absolute truth reigning supreme in scientists and therefore there cannot be in Science, as well. They would budge before the power. Simple.

Why is it so hard to accept that scientist depend on their career and their reputation? Just look at your reaction. Do you want to be someone who found evidence against Evolution and then face yourself a thousand-fold in the faces of your colleagues? Did you notice how they laughed upon this scientist who found actual tissue in supposedly million years old fossils of some dinosaur? What if you find some modern day rabbit fossil where it does not belong according to Evolution? Chance is, you nuke it. Isn't that plausible? And yes, sure there is the EVIDENCE, the EVIDENCE. And they will make sure THEY KEEP HAVING that evidence, if only by a self-stabilizing process of silencing dissenters and dissenting facts. But, of course, there is more to it.

I already metioned Michael Behe and how they "refuted" his evidence. How many trampled upon Michael Behes are lieing there in the dark that we do not know of? Yea, Science got the evidence. And I got my doubts.

Well, of course, it is a valid argument to say that abortion is an technology that Genetics could not foresee. But doesn't it fall short?

We both already summed up examples of all that Evolution did for us. Let's recount. She thought of the sex drive. Nice of her. She even over-rides our minds in partner-choice. Patronizing, but still nice of her, isn't it. She invented love to make us attached. Genius. She invented beauty to soothe us in order to have more offspring. So thoughtful. She even went so far as to insert that contradictory double-strategy into us which divides our very souls and destroys our lifes which makes us promiscuitive and attached to our woman at the same time. Mean, but well, you have to understand her good motives, right? Now, what else? She did forget to insert love to all our offspring? Bummer. And so it came to pass that we jump to abortion. End of story.

Now, in Warlight terms this is like assuming your opponent's income, it's like taking every blimp of information in account to correctly assess his whole position, it's like - figuratively - inserting yourself into his mind and his emotions to check for his best moves and his likely moves, it's like even watching his old games to gain the whole picture about his style of play, it's like not being able to sleep while thinking about your best moves, it's like driving your car and keep checking the possibilities meanwhile, doing all the math, you even lost your job and your wife about all your brooding. And then you get booted. Bummer.

Now I call that fail. You would not agree?

By the way, I am a Protestant. "Scripture alone. Belief alone. Christ alone." Quoting Luther here. Please do not misinterpret. I am open for facts, but for facts alone and without readily injected interpretation intermixing with the facts and I would like to check the details and the whole argument from starting point to end. And where I cannot check the details myself, I would not believe. All human are liars.

*I would not believe where it does contradict biblical teaching, that is. Because I know the Lord and I know myself.

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You've read too much conspiracy fiction. Scientists would not all (like in any place, you get a rogue few) nuke evidence disproving a theory. What happened in the mid 1900s? Due to the emergence of new evidence, a new theory was supported; Big Bang Theory.

Behe is a pillock. He expects scientists to produce an experiment replicating the process that has taken more time in nature than humans have been on the Earth. Also, one such adaption he claims was irreducibly complex was shown to be able to evolve in just 20 000 years; a relative blink of the eye. He is no scientist; he produces no reliable evidence to support his claim.

Evolution isn't someone. It is a process. It's been explained well previously but I'll go through it again: In a population, mutations occur. Some mutations make an organism better adapted. These survive to breed, passing the favourable genes to their offspring. These offspring also have mutations; the process goes on forever.
Evolution does NOT directly create technology. This is pure stupidity on your part; or at the very least, complete ignorance of the theory. Due to evolution, we have cleverer people who can create the technology. One example is abortion.
And there is no double strategy. Evolution makes us want to breed; with as many as possible. But our social evolution is far faster. We now favour monogamy, due to stability of having a partner help bring in money etc. We did not evolve money; our evolved brains did. This means we still have those promiscuous feeling but the need to have the money overrides it; leading to mass monogamy.

X already said all that needs to be said on this topic. Evolution promotes traits that are favourable at a given place and time. But situations change. When infant mortality rates were high it was in your best interest to have lots of sex in order to have many children in the hope that a few would survive to adulthood.

Now infant mortality rates are low. We are still programmed to want to have lots of sex. However, this is no longer in our best interest, as it is much more difficult to provide the requisite resources to 10 children than 2. Hence conscious decisions to limit family size.

*I would not believe where it does contradict biblical teaching, that is. Because I know the Lord and I know myself.

@arun, he has already said that he won't believe you, so let it go.

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