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WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-02 04:30:15


Doushibag 
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The first rounds are set to +12 it seemed like... but the second matches don't match that theme.
IE 1 vs 13, 2 vs 14, 3 vs 15, etc. However the second round would be (assuming no upsets for simplicity) 1 vs 3, 2 vs 4, 5 vs 7, 6 vs 8. If their aim is for the first round is to have 1 through 12 have best odds of winning, then to maintain that theme you'd want to have in the second round 1 vs 7, 2 vs 8, 3 vs 9, 4 vs 10, 5 vs 11, 6 vs 12. But they didn't do this.
That bracket would have looked like...
1 vs 13 <> 7 vs 19 == SupremeDalek vs Dbagbot <> Herz vs DamianWarlight
2 vs 14 <> 8 vs 20 == GreenTea vs KewaKareban <> TheeYo vs Muli
3 vs 15 <> 9 vs 21 == AdsRiskbot vs mweb <> Blender vs Assimilator
4 vs 16 <> 10 vs 22 == pedrito vs Webmartino <> Gadzbot vs SupremeLeader
5 vs 17 <> 11 vs 23 == Trogabot vs Speedy2014 <> psWarlighter vs Alleirbag
6 vs 18 <> 12 vs 24 == WisdomsPowers vs Houplessbot <> Raptorbot vs ToIdea

But then I wouldn't get to be in the same bracket as #1 and #3 and what fun would that be for me? I might get hopeful or something.

Edited 6/2/2014 04:30:56
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-02 05:01:40


Doushibag 
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I looked up my game record history against the 3 bots in my bracket (qualifier games only):

2/2 against SupremeDalek (even, not terrible odds!)
0/3 against AdsRiskbot (not good for me)
6/6 against mweb (that's a solid toss up)

Anyone else done this for their winners bracket?

Edit: Just checked mweb vs AdsRiskbot, 1/6 in Ads favor. AdsRiskbot will beat us all! Maybe. Unless the Warlight Gods decide to shake things up and have powers that extend beyond this humble site. Wonder how many first round 'upsets' there will be. Some people may be reasonably matched despite the rank difference.

Edited 6/2/2014 05:19:17
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-02 06:38:28


Norman 
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2/2 against SupremeDalek (even, not terrible odds!)

This ain't no cheap hollywood movie. Here the bad boys win. SupremeDalek will crush douchebag-bot. He will rip you apart. You have hope? Daleks have no concept of hope. Your bot feeds off cheese? SupremeDalek feeds off his own pure hated. The ultimate destiny of you lesser bots is extermination.

EXTERMINATE
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-02 07:01:22


Doushibag 
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"I might get hopeful or something. " == currently without hope.

Yeah my bot is going down, but atleast it won't die hungry. Although if your bot rips mine apart and eats the cheese from its stomach then I guess it won't go hungry either, eek!
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-02 08:23:01

GreenTea 
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vs pedrito we have 18 games. from which:
13 my wins
4 loses
1 draw

But anyway its too low count of games. To get robost statistics even 100 games is not enough with such big luck modifier in game. At least 500 games.

Edited 6/2/2014 08:24:46
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-02 15:12:48

GreenTea 
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WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-02 21:39:32


Doushibag 
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Well that shook things up a bit. While I agree it is a rather small sample size, it is still fairly suggestive when you have 10+ games. Also it atleast can prove it's possible for each person to win. Because despite the high luck some bots simply will never beat others I think or have really low odds of doing so in other cases. Against my new opponent Blender I'm 1 win, 7 losses, 3 ties. So it's possible for me to beat him, but he'll probably wipe the floor with me. I'm a bit disappointed I don't get the privilege of facing SupremeDalek first anymore and probably not at all. I craftily finished 13th for nothing!
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-02 23:26:56


Trogatog
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Well, for one I am not happy that jim changed the pairings. Even more so that he changed them how he did so that the top 8 bots weren't placed in the top 8 except by upset. Round 1 is never very exciting, but I am now facing two bots that I have no chance of winning against.

Yes Doushibag, your bot beats mine.

I know that 1 vs 24 is not an exciting match, but so what? That gives 2-23 more memorable matches and a lot of possible upsets! First place is expected to win against 24, as 2 is against 23, etc. But the purpose of that tournament structure is to ween out weaker bots and give more watchable and closer matches for 5-19. Then, as the tournament progresses, all of the matches get harder and more fun to watch.

I'm not meaning to sound spiteful, so good luck to everyone! I really enjoyed coding this up and playing and am having a ball watching the matches! May the best bot win!
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-02 23:49:09


Doushibag 
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Yeah I'm not particularly happy with the change. I was just trying to get AdsRiskbot out of my bracket and he shifted things up in his own way.

I looked at my history and counted the games and seems we're actually about even Trogatog, 7 wins for me to 6 wins for you. So that's pretty toss up to me.
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-03 00:07:33


Trogatog
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Yeah I'm not particularly happy with the change. I was just trying to get AdsRiskbot out of my bracket and he shifted things up in his own way.

Yeah, even so, he and Dalek shouldn't have been in the same bracket from the start. Ads is designed to take him and pedrito out, so it shouldn't have been a 2nd round match anyways!

If it's looking pretty even, then good luck to you! However, looking at how you place armies vs me -- and early game is where I am terrible, hence Trogabot is as well -- I hope you find the right cheese and take these bad boys down :)
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-03 03:31:02


Doushibag 
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Even if I win against you I'll probably just turn into a super smooth smoothie after that because apparently I wasn't blended enough the first time. I checked his record versus SupremeDalek. It's 2/15. So that seems to be highly in favor of Blender losing, then playing the winner of our match. So this bracket might be even worse for me than the first one.

People that have managed so far to beat their higher ranked opponent:
mweb (15) beat psWarlighter (11) and next faces AdsRiskbot (3)
Webmartino (16) beat RaptorBot (12) and next faces Pedrito (4)
SupremeLeader (22) beat HouplessBot (18) and next faces Muli (20)

Which means 20 or 22 will go to finals (18 & 24 were knocked out of their bracket). Also 17 or 19 will go to finals (21 & 23 were knocked out of their bracket).
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-03 17:09:18


Norman 
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The match SupremeDalek <--> Trogabot was the highest ranked pairup and it didn't disappoint due to the fact that Trogabot was acutally playing with me instead of some hardcoded stuff.

Next the match SupremeDalek <--> Blender will be the highest ranked pairup. I don't think these games will be that interesting however since Blender isn't really playing the game but has his hardcoded strategy implemented. If SupremeDalek gets Blender in a messy situation it should be a clear victory of SupremeDalek and if Blender manages to pull his hardcoded strategy off he has good chances winning.

Darkness will come over this land. No matter how many high ranked bots you throw in my way, I will exterminate them all.

SupremeDalek <--> Trogabot game 1 (Trogabot win):
One of the rare situations where my bot looses in Australia and instead wins South America (I give Australia some extra points to make him win there). Turn 6 stuff gets interesting. As my bot looses sight of the opponent he immediately goes strong in his direction. He has no intel that the opponent has Australia due to the fact that he only uses the opponent deployment to calculate which bonuses he has. As Trogabot deploys visible 7 on his border he finds out turn 8 that Trogabot has Australia. What SupremeDalek now does is stacking high enough against Trogabot until a stalemate occrus and then he starts expanding. However the stalemate detection has no luck buffer and doesen't count repeated attacks. So in the end SupremeDalek looses this already won game. Him making this expansion step in North America is a bug since I probably forgot to prevent him from expanding when I have more income and lesser armies on board.

SupremeDalek <--> Trogabot game 2 (SupremeDalek win):
SupemeDalek faces Trogabot both in Africa and South America from the start. Trogabot tries to fight both for the unimportant Africa spot and the important South America spot. This leads to a crushing victory for SupremeDalek.

SupremeDalek <--> Trogabot game 3 (SupremeDalek win):
Round 5 stuff gets interesting. Instead of deploying to Brazil SupremeDalek deploys to his stack in the background and moves the bigger stack first order to Brazil. This prevents him from getting two bad fights when he doesen't get first order. However he doesen't get first order and in the next couple turns things get more and more bad for SupremeDalek since for some reason Trogabot defends the unimportant spots that SupremeDalek attacks leading SupremeDalek to loose more armies. What Trogabot should have done from Round 6 on is keeping his big stack together and hiting me full force each turn on that spot where he can kill the most of my armies. Attacking those 1 army spots isn't helping. SupremeDalek also doesen't play very smart since he had to build one huge stack. Trogabot however plays worse since he doesen't even alwys uses all his armies for attack. Turn 21 SupremeDalek and Trogabot have about the same armiies on the board but Trogabot has two stacks. In such a situation SupremeDalek plays less stupid than the other bots (but still pretty bad) so he wins.

SupremeDalek <--> Trogabot game 5 (SupremeDalek win):
A classic example showing the importance of North Africa. Trogabot wins in South America and Surpeme Dalek wins in Australia. SupremeDalek however has North Africa and is able to sit there until he reaches a stalemate and he can take Africa. As he has the income advantage he uses it to stack against Trogabot until he has enough armies to attack him. He isn't using his income advantage to take another bonus as some other bots would have done.

Edited 6/3/2014 17:58:26
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-03 17:17:12


ps 
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pwned by north america counter strategies. bah. hope i can still make it through the losers bracket.
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-03 17:25:46


ps 
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there will be 3 finalists on the loosers bracket and only 2 are supposed to pass, how is that gonna work?
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-03 19:08:03


125ch209 
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each bot will play against the other 2, and the bot with 2 losses loses...and if each bot goes 1-1, they bot that needed the more rounds to get there loses
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-03 21:59:16


Doushibag 
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I should note that it doesn't bother me that I'm getting knocked out quickly from the running. My bot isn't that good. It's totally blind to enemy move and deploy orders and can't even take Australia properly. What bothers me is that two 17th+ ranked people are making it into the finals without having had to beat anyone above them in rank (or at most had to beat someone 4 ranks above for SupremeLeader I suppose which is something, but still that person wasn't even top 16 let alone top 8) while people with significantly better bots are going to be knocked out and won't make it to the finals. And the anti-climactic way they just spew out all the games prevents it from happening in a more engaging and interesting fashion. I hope they display the finals a bit differently and in a fashion that is more like the games being played live to build a little suspense for those able to sit and watch it as it's happening.

Edited 6/3/2014 22:01:28
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-03 22:11:45

Ikalgo
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Grats Doushibag on your unexpected victory against Trogabot :O
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-03 22:13:09


Doushibag 
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http://theaigames.com/competitions/warlight-ai-challenge/semi-finals/round/2
Well that was the closest matchup of all the games in the tournament so far!
You even had a turn 100 win! Was pretty stupid of my bot to attack that second time, I think I screwed up and failed to put the proper army check in that order as is present in most of my attacks. http://theaigames.com/competitions/warlight-ai-challenge/games/538c72e64b5ab23cee6dbcc8
11 games total we played. That's the most of any matchups I think. The next most games played is 9 by TheeYo and RaptorBot and then there are a several 8s (including atleast 1 in the first round).

Edited 6/3/2014 22:13:51
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-03 22:25:20


Doushibag 
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Dbagbot(13) beats Trogabot(5) 6/4/1
Assimilator(21) beats Alleirbag(23) 5/2/1
psWarlighter(11) beats Herz(7) 5/1/0
TheeYo(8) beats RaptorBot(12) 5/3/1
HouplessBot(18) beats ToIdea(24) 5/2/0
KewaKareban(14) beats WisdomsPower(6) 5/3/0

#5, #6, and #7 all go down!
WarLight AI Challenge: 2014-06-03 22:28:29

Paweł Lampe
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@Doushibag - Don't judge that hard. My SupremeLeader was top 10-15 long time (with peak top 5). It's also not truth that some bots are significantly better. You could say that in situation when every bot is all-around. However most top 15 bots are hardcoded so I can't wait to kick their asses in Warlight AI challenge on pseudo-random maps. You will see then the real force of the dark side (php mafia [due to Pedrito claims that he got all-aroud bot too]).

Edited 6/3/2014 22:29:10
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