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new poachers: 1/16/2019 23:56:53


IRiseYouFall
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just got words that gg tried to poach some players off my clan.

3 words for them, have some decency.

if you are in such a bad shape for new players, you can pm me and we can organize a merger, meaning, some of your players can join EU :D cause some of your last recruits, are really bad players, but they can join my b clan https://www.warzone.com/Clans/?ID=371

cheers
new poachers: 1/16/2019 23:57:51


Stig
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i didn't know gg had such weak moves
new poachers: 1/17/2019 00:04:31


Zero2
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hi
new poachers: 1/17/2019 00:06:52


IRiseYouFall
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btw, we are recruiting. if you wanna join and play in cl, send me a pm
new poachers: 1/17/2019 07:42:10


Norman 
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gg isn't new to the poaching game, mate, they approached quite some of M'Hunters better players during the years. I wish you luck in the CL.
new poachers: 1/17/2019 08:01:56


Rikku
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Hint : players aren't property and don't belong to clans
new poachers: 1/17/2019 10:29:18


Platinum
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"if you are in such a bad shape for new players, you can pm me and we can organize a merger, meaning, some of your players can join EU :D cause some of your last recruits, are really bad players, but they can join my b clan https://www.warzone.com/Clans/?ID=371"

LOL
new poachers: 1/17/2019 11:49:38


Onoma94
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"if you are in such a bad shape for new players, you can pm me and we can organize a merger, meaning, some of your players can join EU :D cause some of your last recruits, are really bad players, but they can join my b clan https://www.warzone.com/Clans/?ID=371"

Four members, of which one has last been seen 39 days ago, and another is an alt? So tempting.
new poachers: 1/17/2019 14:29:47


Zero2
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"Hint : players aren't property and don't belong to clans"

Ya but its only natural for leaders to get pissed when random dudes are ruining their clans via poaching

it's like selfish, to a very minuscule degree imo

like i've done poaching sprees on clans like DL before and I felt like an asshole but I certainly didn't mind because I have 0 respect for Darklords
new poachers: 1/17/2019 14:59:27


Onoma94
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^ By poaching from clans like Darklords you basically do a favor to the players in question, though. They get actual community and lose nothing. Also, Darklordio himself is an ass so it's all fair. :0
new poachers: 1/17/2019 15:00:40


Zero2
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why thank you lol
new poachers: 1/17/2019 15:07:52


alexclusive 
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What Rikku said. Everybody is free to try to poach someone from my clan, I won't complain. If that doesn't work, then its attractivity is obviously bigger than the poacher's one. If it does work, the poached player must have had the feeling to be promoting to a better clan, an understandable decision.

If nobody took players from clans which lost their activity (for example due to mistaken ideas of decency), their remaining active players would've likely lost it aswell; I hope there is mutual agreement that we can't want this. If this applies to your clan, IRise, you need to improve your clan instead of trying to improve other people's decency.
new poachers: 1/17/2019 15:08:53

The Furious Logan
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we haven't seen many new clans lately.
new poachers: 1/17/2019 15:16:08


ChrisCMU 
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Clan leaders need to make sure their clan reflects their values. If someone outgrows those values, i would want them to get a clan that reflects those values they want. To that, you cannot blame clan leaders for recruiting someone who is in a clan that doesn't seem to align with their values.

Sending blind invites is dumb though. Asking if someone's clan aligns with their values is probably more appropriate.

Like others said, if some players start to get good and draw attention, you need to get more good players for them to team with so they are happy where they are.
new poachers: 1/17/2019 15:26:33


Zero2
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Chris has a good point

But what really sucks tho is that if you're not an established clan or an established highly respected player, it's a lot harder to build a clan to that level from the ground up. Rise isn't Master of the Dead, he's only been involved in the scene for a short period of time, but he's done a great job considering the position he's in.
new poachers: 1/17/2019 15:33:09


ChrisCMU 
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Of course. The key is communication with your clan. Motd wasn't motd when he started either. As people in your clan improve, you need to make sure they know the clan will grow with them. If a player doesn't hear or feel that, they make look elsewhere
new poachers: 1/17/2019 15:38:14


ChrisCMU 
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Like when I started WG with JSA, I wasn't very good at all (I'm still no motd, but I am a lot better than I was when WG started). We had 4 people in our clan, none of which were the best players in the game. as we grew as players, we recruited more people who were good, and continued to grow the clan. We eventually were good enough to win a clan league with some very good players. Some of those have since retired or gone inactive at times and we slipped back a bit. But your clan needs to be able to evolve with the players and sometimes go through some changes.

If you are not growing, you are dying.
new poachers: 1/17/2019 15:55:16


Zero2
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This is all true, however I would wonder if recruiting good players has become harder these days due to scarcity of good players and competition between other stronger clans.

As you said before, clans need to have a certain values, or maybe a certain bond or something unique to keep the players from leaving. Leaders have to remain close to their members and ambitious, and once a leader begins to get lazy the growth reverses into a decline.

It's not easy stuff, and even most established and well respected clans have trouble with inactivity.
new poachers: 1/17/2019 16:40:47


ChrisCMU 
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it is harder. We recruited marc, Summer, Tenshi who were all clanless at the time. They were elite players then/now. That was back when clans were not official in Warlight/Warzone (we had to changed our player name to reflect our clan tag). So a lot less people were actually in clans then.

Now, the pool of good players that are clanless is VERY small. Most just don't want to be in a clan, or are an alt. So for someone to find good players, it usually has to come from another clan. That is just the nature of the community. So it is hard to blame a good clan for poking around in other ones. Where else would they get players? I also understand the plight of a clan starting out and getting poached. But their best bet might be to merge with someone as they get better. Basically, they need to grow their community with good players and they may need to merge to stay alive.
new poachers: 1/17/2019 17:11:49


The Joey 
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Why do we insist on putting clans in this hierarchy?

I got to agree with ChrisCMU, a player joins a clan that reflects there value. Clans are really just communities. Each with its own culture. I would speculate most clans cultures really aren't that committed to being the most highly skilled clan, but instead just exist to form a community with some broad goal. For example some clans exist as developmental clans (think 101st), so by definition they are not trying to be the most highly skilled clan, their goal is to try and develop new players from being casual players to highly skilled players. Some clans exist to be a community of only the most highly skilled players, and aren't trying to develop their players at all (think Masters). Some clans are specialty clans, like CORP, that offer a different sort of community based on diplomacy games. But the point is there is a wide variety of missions. So if one player leaves one clan to join a clan that seems like it would better fit what they want out of Warzone, that a good thing. It makes both communities better, as each community will be better composed of individuals that fit their communities goals.
new poachers: 1/17/2019 17:17:56


Zero2
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Agreed with both of you, and I've said my points.
new poachers: 1/17/2019 17:36:48


Onoma94
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Why do people still think CORP is a diplo clan? xD

Edited 1/17/2019 17:37:10
new poachers: 1/17/2019 17:41:30


alexclusive 
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Hmmm, why do people think Coalition Of Roleplaying Friends was a diplo clan? Makes no sense to me either, very strange thing.
new poachers: 1/17/2019 17:49:53


Onoma94
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I don't know about Coalition Of Roleplaying Friends, but CORP certainly isn't a diplo clan.

Edited 1/17/2019 17:50:45
new poachers: 1/17/2019 18:47:13


Zero2
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corp just means corporation now
new poachers: 1/17/2019 19:30:59


Norman 
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Well, there seem to be different concepts here about how to define a clan. I believe we can summarize the two ends of understandings about what defines a clan with the "BRO" classification:

- alexclusive sees clans as a BROthel where players are free to come and go as they please. It's a judgment free zone. People are free switching clans 5 times a year. Back in the days, 'X' introduced the term "clanslut" for describing JSAs clan hopping.

- M'Hunters defines itself as a BROtherhood. You can't just come and go as you please and we don't rat (nowadays called whistleblowing).

Now I'm not judging. Everybody is free to decide whether they'd rather be in a BROthel clan for some non-committal fun or in a BROtherhood clan.

Edited 1/17/2019 19:37:16
new poachers: 1/17/2019 19:48:09


alexclusive 
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Norman, what I wanted to say is that a clan that fits the wishes of its members won't be left anyways, not more... you know that I don't like clan hoppers.
new poachers: 1/17/2019 19:48:20


Norman 
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Oh, and there seems to be a third stance regarding poaching, going something like this: "It's OK to poach from the lesser clans but not from equal elitist clans.". Sadly I couldn't find a word starting with "BRO" here :(
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just can't come up with anything funny
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let's just call it the "BROken elitist" understanding.

(Edit: Nah, to judgmental. I desperately scanned https://www.thefreedictionary.com/words-that-start-with-bro but just couldn't come up with anything, sorry).

Edited 1/17/2019 19:50:48
new poachers: 1/17/2019 19:59:51

FiveStarGeneral 
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So does this mean MH is a clan where I can get away with cheating? I've been looking for a clan where I can cheat without fear and have my back covered by a faithful band of brothers and ONE obviously isn't the place for that.
new poachers: 1/17/2019 20:02:07


Rikku
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Don't bully MH One Star General
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