Well, there were two games on it played today.

Who wants to play me on it right now?

I'm surprised some desperated people still actually visit this ladder lmao

I just haven't bothered to grind through the pick lotto SE games on QM yet.

Just had a good battle with Dom (he pulled 7 first moves on me in a row, thanks 'random' move order).


Anyway, there isn't a reason for Fizzer to take it down. It doesn't draw any of his energy, so why bother?

it makes a bad impression that there is a dead ladder on the main page imo

Also it just takes you 4 wins or so to be past small earth on qm. Commander on the other hand will always be on the rt ladder

4? I was told 20 by Farah.

Must be a Deadman hack you did.

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Well farah probably meant 20 games, not wins. He's not very good at small earth

so he went 4-16? LOL

"it makes a bad impression that there is a dead ladder on the main page imo"

^^^^^^ agreed

The RT ladder is indeed very out-dated compared to Quickmatch. To remove it though, we'd have to find something else to unlock at level 43 otherwise that level would lack an unlock.

Daily/weekly RT Tournaments awarding fizzers

Thank you for the reply. Some others would ask what you plan to do with the gold trophies if/when the ladder is removed. Just a thought.

Why not lower the 1v1 ladder entry to 43?

Why not put the RTL in the app. You could even do a "ranked" checkbox if you want.

terrible idea cowboy

Something else to unlock at level 43? Maybe something related to QM?

There's no QM trophy, and rightly so, because the ratings are geared heavily around activity. But eligibility to compete for some new replacement for the RTL trophy, gained by playing real time QM games, could unlock at level 43.

There are lots of different ways that this could done.

The RT ladder is indeed very out-dated compared to Quickmatch. To remove it though, we'd have to find something else to unlock at level 43 otherwise that level would lack an unlock.

How about combining QM and rt-ladder?

I mean you could apply the rt-ladder-system, if someone clicks a box (which is available at level 43).

... from last year. The offer stands.

+1 krunx

I would even prefer opt-out instead of opt-in

There is a very easy fix to RTL that doesn't involve moderation or even modifying some (less than ideal) templates. Simply reset the ladder ratings annually.

Current problems with the RTL that would be solved with an annual reset:

• No more inflated "grandfathered" ratings occupying the top spot. Consequently,
  
• Ratings would all be within the same range once again, so all players have an equal chance to compete for top spots
  
• Ladder deflation once ratings have settled will not be as drastic as it is now (a product of multiple years of the same people playing against each other and lowering the collective average rating)

With these fixes in place, the ladder is almost guaranteed to become active and competitive again. And it doesn't require any oversight whatsoever.

The only drawback I see with this system is that the ladder would basically be dead around early- to mid-December. But a month's worth of ladder inactivity is certainly far better than a perpetually dead ladder.

Also, QM and RTL should never be combined. The RTL is a (formerly) legitimate ladder. QM is just an activity chart. The fact that you can veto unlimited templates to play only a couple templates you're strong at is enough justification to not combine the two and form a ladder around that.

It would need to be more sophisticated than what krunx wrote, but those problems with RTL based on QM games could easily be surmounted (e.g. different rating system from QM itself; must have >=N templates checked to join RTL).

It needs plenty of thought, though, because there are bound to be other issues.

tbh the real time ladder is great if you're a robot who can commit at any time of the day to capitalize on boots