there will be a human rights NGO right in front of the station to afford them a lawyer to exploit the soft laws

I, too, believe that human rights NGOs are to blame for your country's murder problem.

Free 3rd party lawyers that can retaliate cops for their MO? Its a factor

Theres an entire conjuncture behind the murder problem

NGO workers get murdered in your country every five days.

This narrative has popped up before in other corrupt failed societies that like to murder humanitarians and cover up (or prepare for) state abuses. Obviously your failed society doesn't have policemen or other state actors that are actually committing these abuses- nope, these NGOs- whose employees, I must stress, are literally getting murdered every week- must be frivolously using their limited resources to counter-productively defend obvious murderers.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this narrative means in Brazil what it's meant in every other country that's peddled it. Human rights and legal protections for accused perpetrators are the last thing you go after if you're attempting to build a peaceful, prosperous society.

And soft laws? The safest places to live in aren't the ones who rile up lynch mobs to dehumanize and wipe out perceived offenders. Adopting the societal and human rights attitudes of Pakistan is not the path to becoming more like Denmark. I'd posit that your country's problem has more to do with its institutional corruption and undereducated, overzealous, dysfunctional population than it does with all the things that make developed Western societies prosperous and functional.

Do you think police officers exist to prosecute criminals? Of course not. Mob chaos could easily take care of that itself- albeit with collateral damage. No, the point of policemen is to ensure order, civil protection, and fundamental rights. If you're going to go after rights and those who protect them, you might as well get rid of the cops too. If you want a mob state, it costs a hell of a lot less to just go out and kill accused people yourself instead of paying for a police force to mask and legitimize a failed society.

A police force that must commit abuses and violate rights in order to function is worse than no police force at all.

If you want to know what's wrong with your country, I think the first step should be to look in a mirror. Societies fail from the bottom up and must be fixed in that direction too- not with fantasies of "high IQ" strongmen.

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Suddenly everyone's an expert on Brazil's internal affairs.

i mean, i would be upset if owning guns was the sole measure to reduce violence but i actually read newspapers, i happen to watch the congress sessions in tv since 2015 (i was outraged by 2014 election results) and i happen to know what the people i voted for really want to do, be youtube's guest before **spreading nonsense in the internet**, stop talking as if great promises are the only measures to be taken and start looking at the bigger picture already, it seems to me that you watched 2 days of news report and suddenly became an expert that can state for certain that we'd be better off with a fascist **before he's even in office**

That's some quite strong words for someone using Wikipedia screenshots as points. You've had plenty of space to tell me what other security measures Bolsonaro aims to taking in your 3 replies to me thus far - yet you took advantage of none. Go ahead and tell me any - I haven't seen them floating around in anywhere near enough detail as is needed.

Adopting the societal and human rights attitudes of Pakistan is not the path to becoming more like Denmark.

we adopted human rights from Denmark and became more like Pakistan? the need is not for shaping society because society isn't staying alive for that, there's a war going on and if you think soft laws are the way to go i'm glad you don't live in here because people is sick of going out in the morning and having no idea on whether they're coming home missing a phone or a hand

be my guest and search for brazilian criminal factions videos, you'll see the true reality of a narco-community. NSFW warning

and honestly if you want more detail than that i'm afraid you're not looking for a direction but actual law projects and documents explaining every single technicality, you like to criticise the lack of depth in these but when you do that it's not very convenient to recognize such projects as a delicate matter that is way more complex than "allowing cops to fire at will", is it? just sit back and at least wait for something to happen so you can criticise it instead of disseminating humanitary ideology against "ThE TyRaNt"

@Tito: I watch Brazilian murder videos every day; snuff porn just didn't cut it for me anymore, and ISIS videos really lost their production value by mid-2017.

They still don't justify the narrative of blaming it on human rights and NGOs that stand up for human rights. I'm not saying it's about allowing cops to fire at will- but repealing legal protections (poorly-constructed loopholes are a different matter, but fundamental protections are what I'm talking about here) is not the right path to take. Even if targeting NGOs gives you a nice drop in the crime rate- which I'd be doubtful about, given that human rights protections, if anything, correlate with less crime globally- you're also opening yourself and your country up to much bigger threats. The state always has the motive, means, and opportunity to take advantage of your society and is much more dangerous than any murderer.

Even if it were Mother Teresa and Gandhi jointly running your government, that would not justify repealing human rights protections and the means to ensure they stay in place. They're fundamental to any society founded on the rule of law.

Bolsonaro looks like a DC villain but sure hell will fix the God forsaken country.
He is almost as good as Trump but the god himself can never be overshadowed.

Why was taggy unbanned? Wth fizzer?!

Ban the schizo again

I've had to study Brazil at a basic detail, learned about the underage sex industry, how farmers in the Amazon got murdered for their land. How the woodlands in the Amazon were completely ransacked of its natural resources for the creation of wealth. The insane difference between the rich at Rio De Janiero and the poor, celebrating their big day (I forget the name of it). Obviously the drugs industry.

Yet even with those problems, this country Hosted the World Cup 2014 and the Olympics at 2016 pumping millions if not billions into it. That's indeed Brazil in a nutshell. I saw the protests about the lack of funds into public spaces.

Though I wonder if that's the legacy of the huge debts left when Brazil was left with a military government in the 70s that plunged them into debt. Huge debts = Social unrest = Drugs and negative social behavior.

I'm not an expert on Brazil whatsoever but to me, that's "Brazil in a nutshell".

TL;DR: Failed state doing failed state things.

except that the failed state was until this year composed mostly by social justice warriors

there was a celebration yesterday for the 30 years of our constitution with the heads and representatives of the 3 powers giving speeches. of the 8, 5 spoke about social justice, 2 about freedom and the so-called fascist who will threaten south america's democracy bowed to the constitution

i'm no military period admirer but it takes less than 5 minutes to figure out which has worked best, 64-85 or 88-2016. make a long story short, they at least built infrastructure and despite the absurd debt (which was mostly caused in late 80s greed) they at least made us a strong country

people needed health and education though, so that's how the cycle restarted

anyway, hardcore socialists caused both and everyone is sick of it, except this time it was so outrageous i doubt it'll happen again

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I'm not saying you had a functional government to begin with. But that also doesn't mean what you have now is a functional government either.

Third-world governments are really funny to observe because they function so much like a kindergarten class trying to solve world hunger.

pretty much, yes

there is a sense that we're in the right direction now

not because we elected him but because people is more active, from kids to grandmas and grandpas checking for speeches in congress and such