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Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/26/2018 17:04:20


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I voted, as so did others with a relatively yesterday..

The results have came out today and Ireland has passed Abortion with a landsliding victory for the Yes side, at a approximate 70/30 % victory.

What a wonderful day it is for Ireland, now the church is next ;)
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/26/2018 18:51:57


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I saw this comment on Reddit and I felt the need to share it here.

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Relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar

TL;DR: Savita Halappanavar, a 31-year-old Indian-origin dentist, had sought a pregnancy termination when told she was miscarrying, but her request was denied due to Ireland's strict anti-abortion laws. She died of blood poisoning days after miscarrying in October 2012.

On 20 May 2018, the parents of Savita Halappanavar called for a Yes vote in Ireland's referendum on the repeal of the 8th Amendment, her father saying: "I hope the people of Ireland will vote yes for abortion, for the ladies of Ireland and the people of Ireland. I hope the people of Ireland remember my daughter Savita on the day of the referendum, and that what happened to her won’t happen to any other family."

This is the mural of Savita in Dublin, a focal point of reflection for the Yes side of this referendum today: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeH5wmaX0AEWnqi.jpg

And here are some of the messages:
https://twitter.com/laurafleur/status/1000300758271655936
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I'm so happy her death wasn't in vain. This is a victory for women's rights and for Ireland. It's great to see the country finally shake free from the fetters of the Catholic Church.

Now Northern Ireland just needs to follow.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/26/2018 19:30:15


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Huh. Come to the States if you want to live somewhere progressive. We haven't had an established church since the 18th century and abortion has been legal since the 1970s.

Hell I think we've got more Irish people too. Here Savita would've just died of heart disease, diabetes, or bullet wounds like people ought to.

Edited 5/26/2018 19:30:47
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/26/2018 19:58:08


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A few notes:

1. ZBD may have implied that Northern Ireland is majority Catholic. It is not.

2. This doesn't mean all abortion is legal in Ireland. It just means that the legislature can make laws regarding abortion. Before, if they tried to make laws it would be against the 8th amendment and presumably unconstitutional although exceptions were made recently in cases where the life of the mother was in danger (but not from suicide).

3. The YES side in Ireland was campaigning for abortion up until 12 weeks which is actually a pro life position if you lived in a rich country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law

4. There are secular arguments for human life beginning before birth and improvements to medical science are starting to justify a 22 week ban on Abortion except in extraordinary circumstances.

For example, unique DNA, unique heartbeat, and a unique blood type should imply a unique human being.

In my opinion, if you are ending an independent heartbeat then this isn't the same thing as removing a kidney.

Fetal pain research is also shifting scientific consensus.

Edited 5/26/2018 20:09:16
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/26/2018 20:33:03


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Huh. Come to the States if you want to live somewhere progressive.

If shooting up people based on their skincolour, or because they are going to school is progressive, then sure go ahead.


On topic, congrats to Ireland! Big step!

Edited 5/26/2018 20:33:15
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/26/2018 20:34:31


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Of course it's not the same as removing a kidney. Kidneys actually serve a purpose within your body.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/26/2018 21:33:56


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NI is actually more conservative than ireland, imo the current abortion law is too strict but I don't want this to be a sign of approval for abortion without thinking.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/26/2018 22:15:11


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Babies don't serve a purpose to a would-be mother's body because they aren't part of her body.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/26/2018 22:43:23


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Neither are tapeworms.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/27/2018 01:11:20


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tapeworms don't have human DNA.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/27/2018 01:23:47


Sephina Nighy
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I don't know if you guys are aware, but abortion rights began in the Middle East, I'm serious.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/27/2018 07:22:30


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Mohammad 1: "Oh shit you got Mohammad 2's 7 year old daughter pregnant! He's gonna be pissed! He was going to marry her off to Mohammad 4!

Mohamad 3: Shit, time to invent the ProChoice Movement!

Mohhamad 1: The what?
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/27/2018 17:19:44


knyte 
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Why do they need numbers after their names when the names are all spelled differently, Kilos?
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/27/2018 18:08:14


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tapeworms don't have human DNA.

Humans and tapeworms share some common DNA because of how evolution works. How are tapeworms related to abortion anyway?
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/27/2018 21:05:13


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I couldn't be more disappointed.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/27/2018 21:38:29


knyte 
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@DanWZ: tapeworms and fetuses are both common parasitic organisms found in humans.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/28/2018 09:00:01


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tapeworms aren't parasites that will pay back the deficit they have created over their lifetime ex. taking care of you when you're old, continuing to grow the family fortune
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/28/2018 09:02:15


Wulfhere
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>mud person dies of a blood infection
ain't news
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/28/2018 18:49:06


knyte 
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Taking care of you when you're old and debilitated? That's what money is for.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/28/2018 23:40:07


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Haha, you think your children will take care of you when you are old? How naive. Not in the developed world, I tell you.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/29/2018 00:14:24


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If shooting up people based on their skincolour, or because they are going to school is progressive, then sure go ahead.


Fight stupid with stupid ! Do it !

Mohammad 1: "Oh shit you got Mohammad 2's 7 year old daughter pregnant! He's gonna be pissed! He was going to marry her off to Mohammad 4!

Mohamad 3: Shit, time to invent the ProChoice Movement!

Mohhamad 1: The what?


haha

Haha, you think your children will take care of you when you are old? How naive. Not in the developed world, I tell you.


You don't think Japan and Taiwan are developped? I mean that's pretty much how every country works aside from very rich ones that don't need to and lost the tradition.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/29/2018 00:36:12


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You don't think Japan and Taiwan are developped? I mean that's pretty much how every country works aside from very rich ones that don't need to and lost the tradition.

Okay, you got me here. Let me reduce that to western countries.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/29/2018 02:20:15


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Haha, you think your children will take care of you when you are old? How naive. Not in the developed world, I tell you.


I can't speak for the world. I can speak for my family. We took care of my parents when they could not care for themselves.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/29/2018 02:28:16


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Okay, you got me here. Let me reduce that to western countries.


Pretty sure they do that in most Latin America.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 5/29/2018 05:41:18


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Why do they need numbers after their names when the names are all spelled differently, Kilos?


Because I'm a fucking idiot, who stays up way to late making stupid fucking posts instead of getting sleep.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 6/6/2018 23:37:06


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The people who actually pay into the system are 20-60 something, usually male. Less children means less people paying in; that is not good if you're retired and on social security.

The economy expands with a growing population (of culturally compatible and intelligent people) so there would be more wealth if people had children, it would just cost short term as people don't start paying in until they go into careers. Long-term, there would be more and more wealth to retire on.

Post-boomers don't honestly expect to retire on social security which they've paid in over their lives; the government will continue to borrow that money, expecting future generations to someday form a fiscally responsible government and pay the deficit they've created. You cannot expect a democratic government, one in which promises which politicians need not ever fulfill for their short tenure are necessary to buy off the voting urban proletarian population i.e. the majority of the population. However unlike the government, one's own children are usually reliable, and not just as a source of financial support but lifestyle support i.e. making life worth living.

Saving one's own wealth is a fair gig, and necessary, but maximizing one's wealth in old age and improving life involves having children for the those two reasons 1)population growth drives economic expansion 2)family improves life. The financial question over having children is just one of short-term vs long-term investment. Also I do not think it would be silly to suggest that perpetuating life and laying down something which continues past one's physical life is an ennobled deed.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 6/8/2018 00:31:58


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You realize your proposed long-term investment has a negative ROI so big you could buy a house with it, right Wulfy?

http://www.taigeair.com/financial-reasons-why-you-shouldnt-have-a-child

I thought Nazis claimed to be good at math.
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 6/8/2018 01:23:27


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Knyte how do you evaluate the economic worth of the continued existence of humanity?

Ever drop a coin in a beggar's cup?
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 6/8/2018 02:57:55


knyte 
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If by coin you mean one of those fake million dollar bills that tells 'em about Jesus (the kind people leave as tips sometimes), sure. Plenty of times. :') doing my part for humanity and immortality, the asshole way my flawed sense of morality (and blatantly made-up-by-idiots-and-socipaths belief system) tells me to. Guess we ain't so different.

Edited 6/8/2018 03:36:35
Ireland held a referendum on Abortion today...: 6/9/2018 04:09:38


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Doesn't factor in how the economy grows with a growing population. You would be surprised to find out shoring up birth rates in the West is a raw deal for everyone.

also everyone's a GNATZEE as far as the internet is concerned
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