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Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 08:22:37


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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A more important topic once in a while.

What are you personally doing to improve the situation?

Do you have easely acessible studies, problems, solutions, news artices?

I will start.
I am
- trying to buy "bio" as long as i have the money
- supporting "Betonflut eindämmen!" in Bavaria.
- have joined LBV-Hochschulgruppe München (man that website is so outdated, shame!)
- talking to the officials to mow less often
and more
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 08:37:07


Cata Cauda
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What do you mean by "improving the situation"?
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 08:37:40


حياة
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I killed a bee in my room yesterday.

looking this up a bit, it seems that air pollution is a cause. I barely drive cars, I walk almost everywhere. I also just try to not use much energy in general - thermostat is almost always off, everything on lowest brightness, etc.

Can't these plants that need pollination be phased out with plants that self-pollinate, or be mechanically pollinated (for some of them)?

Interesting topic, can't wait for the thread to die after 20 posts since need to discuss the latest Trump tweet.

Edited 5/4/2018 20:31:38
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 08:42:55


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I save energy and land by being a vegetarian. Yes, people often underestimate the effect, but meat production is a huge waste of ressources. Animals eat the food AND THEN convert it to meat, while wasting energy in, for the endproduct, irrelevant ways like keeping the body-warm, movement, metabolism, etc etc. The land cows, pigs, etc occupy, and the energy put into for meat production, could feed ALOT more people with agriculture.

I am also trying to cut down on other animals products like dairies, but havent got myself to that.

Edited 5/4/2018 08:44:52
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 09:43:42


حياة
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Animals eat the food AND THEN convert it to meat, while wasting energy in, for the endproduct, irrelevant ways like keeping the body-warm, movement, metabolism, etc etc.


Yes, but how else would you convert grass and other indigestible foods to usable food?

Anyhow your whole argument seems to be "folk shouldn't be jewellers" since they could be mining instead.
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 10:12:01


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Yes, but how else would you convert grass and other indigestible foods to usable food?

Feed it to bacteria. They can digest cellulose, while animal herbivores, like cows, cant. They are not needed to convert grass to for humans digestable food.

Edited 5/4/2018 10:12:17
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 12:21:10


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Vegetarian Austrian where have I heard that before?
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 16:16:59


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I use honey instead of maple syrup for waffles and pancakes. The more pancakes I eat, the more honey I buy, the more the market has an incentive to solve the bee death crisis.

This is also why I've started sprinkling ground up rhino horns as part of steak seasoning.
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 16:26:13


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Cata Cauda, here's something to ruminate on. Cattle can digest grass and other plant matter which is indigestible for human beings. See the following:

https://www.progressivecattle.com/topics/feed-nutrition/5156-a-cows-digestive-system-and-processes
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 16:30:20


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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Improving in the sense of reverse the extinction trend.
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 16:34:14


Wulfhere
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people make fun of Alex Jones' whole THESE ARE END TIMES FOLKS shtick and then believe this lmao
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 16:41:59


knyte 
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Yeah, autism DOESN'T cause vaccines but good old ASBESTOS causes CANCER?!

yeah FAT CHANCE libtards!
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 16:44:55


Cata Cauda
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Cata Cauda, here's something to ruminate on. Cattle can digest grass and other plant matter which is indigestible for human beings. See the following:

https://www.progressivecattle.com/topics/feed-nutrition/5156-a-cows-digestive-system-and-processes

No, the article says exactly what I wrote before: Cattle cant digest polysaccharides like Cellulose, but the bacteria in their gastrointestinal tract do that for them.
Hence we could safe alot of ressources like energy, time, and land, by simplying feeding plant material to bacteria, or fungi in combination with artifically synthesizes enzymes, and would get the same result.

Edited 5/4/2018 16:54:44
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 17:26:03


Padraig
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The link below is to the Colony Collapse Disorder page of the Agriculture Research Service of the United States Department of Agriculture. There are a multitude of links to articles dealing with the many topics related to pollinator decline. In the U.S. honey bees are not native, nor are the types of plants which they pollinate. Something like a third of the food we eat is dependent on bees for pollination. There are other pollinators but they can not be controlled like bees can. So, the health of honey bees as a whole is important.

A friend of mine is a bee keeper. She has a large, multi acre, tract of land where she has her hives. Being an organic gardener she is generally opposed to the use of pesticides. This may have some bearing on the good health that her bees have enjoyed to date. The fact that her land is not adjacent to other farms is probably more to the point.

https://www.ars.usda.gov/oc/br/ccd/index/

The EPA page is also of interest.

https://www.epa.gov/pollinator-protection/colony-collapse-disorder
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 17:53:45


Padraig
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Cata, a cow without its normal bacterial population in its gut is a dying cow. It is natural to cows for their comensal or maybe mutalistic bacteria to do the heavy lifting in the digestive process. I imagine that has been true for as long as they have existed. Arguing that because the bacteria do work in the cow's gut, that they don't digest cellulose, is akin to saying automobiles don't atomize fuel because fuel injectors or carburetors which are an integral part of the machine do that work.

I am not opposed to what you propose. But the U.S. is not Austria. The U.S. has vast regions of semi-arid land that is well suited to raising cattle on, while not being well suited to other uses.
Pollinator decline: 5/4/2018 21:32:02


Thessalos54[TPBI]
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Wait why are you feeding the grass to bacteria? What good does that even do? At least feeding the grass to cows means you get something to eat
Pollinator decline: 5/5/2018 00:28:59


Wulfhere
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Hurr asbestos causes cancer

t. soy latte sipping plastic waterbottle consuming low testosterone fat loser with bigboy tits

you have the "gay" voice despite "not being gay" don't you, from all the hormone damage


meanwhile the blue collar guys working in industry are /fit as fuck/ and don't care if they die in their 70s
Pollinator decline: 5/5/2018 00:31:03


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soyboy
Pollinator decline: 5/5/2018 01:22:48


Thessalos54[TPBI]
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Wulfhere what is wrong with you
Pollinator decline: 5/5/2018 01:29:47


Жұқтыру
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hey woah don't antagonise him when he's finished his homework but his adderol hasn't worn off. you'll regret it
Pollinator decline: 5/5/2018 01:52:16


Wulfhere
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same joke twice pretty lame dawg
Pollinator decline: 5/5/2018 03:26:33


knyte 
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damn that was a nice attempt at a roast

If you'd like my comeback you can wipe it off your mother's face.
Pollinator decline: 5/5/2018 04:05:40


Wulfhere
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no one wants your weak soy loads
Pollinator decline: 5/5/2018 08:24:19


Cata Cauda
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Wait why are you feeding the grass to bacteria? What good does that even do? At least feeding the grass to cows means you get something to eat

You feed the bacteria, and then eat them. Just like a cow, just more efficient.
Pollinator decline: 5/5/2018 08:29:04


Thessalos54[TPBI]
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Why are you eating bacteria? Who wants to eat bacteria? No thanks
Pollinator decline: 5/5/2018 08:32:50


Cata Cauda
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You do realise that you eat bacteria with every meal, right? In every food there is an uncountable amount of bacteria, yet you dont care. Everyone eats bacteria.
Pollinator decline: 5/6/2018 05:32:26


Wulfhere
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he means B. anthracis which cows sometimes get infected with (anthrax). not something you would want to consume through tainted meat
Pollinator decline: 5/6/2018 05:42:07


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I drove the car for 15 minutes yesterday with no purpose other than I felt like it. I also refuse to turn off my car until whatever my spotify is playing ends. And I killed 3 bees in my room using an electric racket in the past week.

Pollinators be gone.
Pollinator decline: 5/6/2018 13:01:07


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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I feel the urge to shoot you right now.
Pollinator decline: 5/8/2018 17:43:24


Empire of Kilos
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Talking only about Honey Bee's

I don't care, people seem to think America was some sort of Wasteland before Europeans brought over Honey Bee's, but in fact we have our own Pollinators in the form of Bumble Bees and Sweat Bee's, who are on the decline specifically because they can't compete with European Honey bee's and their protected Wooden Forts.


So in Europe, yeah, keep them.

Anywhere else, let them die, one less introduced species competing with native fauna. I don't eat Honey, so no loss to me.
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