I reluctantly saw this with people and I wasn’t really into it.

I don’t know what you guys think of this movie, I mean I know a lot of people like it, the movie theatre I was in was literally packed.

What would you guys rate this? Just wanted to express this.

I haven't seen it but I hear that it is about a black ethnostate so I want to see it with some of my liberal friends.

Yeah lol.

It’s okay when black people want an ethnostate but not other people.

Wakanda? Come on! Why do you want to watch it?

Edited 2/19/2018 05:29:52

... Wakanda is a kingdom of five disparate tribes that united just because they found a meteor and some guy beat them all up into agreeing to use it a certain way.

They don't share a common perceived ethnic or racial identity outside the political identity of Wakanda and the social identity of their own tribe. Calling this an ethnostate is a stretch, especially since the notion of a unified black identity is (globally) a recent invention and here mostly an artifact of American immigration/migration history- it doesn't translate that well to Wakanda. Wakanda is no more of a nation-state (let alone an ethnostate) than historic kingdoms in Europe that predate modern ethnic identities and often lacked even loose linguistic unity. Sure, it's predominantly African, but that's more of a consequence of it being located in Africa than due to the deliberate creation of an ethnostate. It's pretty much just united by Vibranium, with the rest tacked on inconsistently for storytelling reasons.

It's a goddamn superhero movie. Not a particularly great one, although some people are excited about it because hey it's got representation and whatnot (and a pretty solid cast). Not the second coming of Christ, but also not whatever political football y'all want it to be. Just enjoy the movie (or don't). No reason to work everything into your dilettantish political views.

Also, Wakanda- while pretty interesting- isn't a country that most people (even Black Panther fans) probably want to exist IRL any more than they want Galactus to be out there looking for planets to eat. Y'all so invested in your misguided nationalist ideologies that you can't even enjoy fiction for fiction.

Edited 2/19/2018 05:43:29

knyte, good point.

https://youtu.be/RSe1tbWicys
Look at 1:40
I thought it was partly about a black ethnostate because of that, now as you know I watched it, in the movie it mentioned immigration so yeah.

Edited 2/20/2018 00:13:08

Was it immigration based on ethnic identity or something? In the comics, Wakanda is isolationist because of the vibranium not because they're ethnic nationalists.

Also damn, the Paul Joseph Watson cancer is spreading pretty fast.

The immigration was probably about being isolationist, you’re right.

Well I don’t see the problem either pjw, his videos are alright.

Well it's not exactly an ethnostate guys, you're confusing race with ethnicity. Wouldn't Yugoslavia be considered an ethnostate? An ethnostate is simply a country with one sole ethnicity/peoples. Wakanda had people from other tribes, with different cultures. It shouldn't be considered an ethnostate because it's isolationist, and africans are [sarcasm]usually[/sarcasm] black. But if somebody is encouraging something like wakanda in our century, then they are proposing an ethnostate.

So it's a bit more complicated than that. In the real world, Wakanda is clearly tied to Black racial identity and representation. But that's still a far cry from a neo-Nazi's call for a white ethnostate- because Wakanda's political agenda doesn't directly extend into real life. Wakanda is chiefly just a setting used in art/literature (whatever you want to call comics), not a political call for something that should exist IRL. It's not like the alt-right vision of America, a traitor's vision of a restored Confederacy, etc.

In the comics and movie, though, almost everything Wakanda does is tied to Vibranium. They're isolationist because they want to hide the Vibranium. They're powerful because they have Vibranium. They're consolidated as a state because that's how they're agreeing to control the Vibranium. The creation of Wakanda wasn't about Blackness or any ethnic identity- it's not like Yugoslavia at all (which was united by a shared Slavic identity) but instead more like India or Britain, where the shared pseudo-ethnic identity ("British" or "Indian" as umbrella terms for totally disparate peoples whose ancestors probably wouldn't have gotten along) was constructed to align with a shared political identity. Even weaker than that, really, since Wakanda just isn't about race in that way.

It's truly a stretch to claim Wakanda is an ethnostate. I'm not surprised that our resident neo-Nazis-in-denial are doing this, but I sure hope the idiocy doesn't spread any further than that.

Edited 2/23/2018 18:28:20

^I second this

all a country needs to be an ethnostate is homogeneity and strict immigration/border control. this is the very minimal level of the ethnostate. most countries are ethnostates. wakanda fits this.

the five tribes must also be self-segregating if they are each still unique and distinct even though they lived together forever and never race-mixed. if you think they are not an ethnostate, they are at the very least ethnopluralist.

Flawed conception of political reality as usual from knyte. Given his area of expertise is not in the understanding of the classics but in analyzing XXDD of popular media franchises like a true reddit soyboy, this is unsurprising.

Never have nations been successfully politically merged without a pre-existing comradeship; cultural ties. For money and structures cannot unite peoples; the question of HOW to structure and HOW to divide the money is answered by identity. The fictitious "ethnostate" is precisely as you say, fiction. In reality no peoples would form an ethnically homogeneous state to consolidate control over some resources; if the group was divided, who got to control the resources would be the source of conflict.

For the individuals for which all of history is a puzzle solved in the 21st century (knyte), the ethnostate presents itself as an ethical nightmare. For the historical mind, it can be admitted - through the observation that for all of history, and in the absence of Western "progressivism" imposed upon non-westerners - ethnostates have been the general form of political organization. All non-Western non-white states are ethnostates, or at least have racial hegemony. The nature of things is only disregarded so easily when we are talking about white Western countries. For an unexplained reason, only these countries should be subjects of the new experiment of multiracialism.

soyboy

I'm an expert in identity politics

Hitler had some pretty valid points

What's with black people, amirite?

Why yes, I'm quite an intellectual

Wake up sheeple

I wonder who could be behind this post

Oh who I wonder indeed
>>>/pol/ faggot, where you came from

Edited 2/26/2018 12:22:54

doesn't take but an ego-driven imbecile to strawman