Evidence?

No. I just forgot to change the WL settings sine BST ended this morning

Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society

Democracy and socialism lead to rising social and institutional time-preferences; people that can produce more wealth end up with less wealth (because the state collects it). The result is a shrinking ability for those with the skills to build capital to invest long-term, and a decline in overall capital for everyone, since the capitalist can pay less workers, and the state has progressively less and less to collect from taxes. Technological progress slows, poverty increases, and IQ drops. Eventually civilization ends and humans revert to barbarism.

In capitalism, those who produce more wealth (i.e. the workers) end up with less wealth because the capitalists collect it (surplus value). Thus a capitalist can earn thousands or millions of times as much as a hard-working person.

In socialism, there's no such thing as capitalists. Instead companies are collectively owned and their produced wealth may be spent on the population as a whole (e.g. in the form of universal education, welfare...) or higher wages for the local workers, employing more, expanding the industry, ... The fact is, however, since there is no longer this parasitic class of capitalists taking big parts of the wealth, there's more wealth to give back in reward to the workers. Thus those who produce more wealth end up with more wealth in socialism.

Syndicalism is the only non-retarded ideology the left has ever produced, sorry commie but you're an autist.

I agree with the turk for once.

Centrism doesn't mean anything.

Take Person A who is anti-gun, anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti-immigration, anti-free market, and anti-environmentalism. Person A holds the same number of left-wing policies as right-wing policies and therefore is a centrist.

Now take Person B who is pro-gun, pro-abortion, pro-death penalty, pro-immigration, pro-free market, and pro-environmentalism. Person B holds the same number of left-wing policies as right-wing policies and therefore is a centrist.

Both people are centrists and yet they couldn't be farther apart from what they want their government to look like. Centrism isn't a coherent way to govern. Most Centrists disagree with each other. People who call themselves "Centrists" just want to avoid the shitstorm between right and left regardless of how inconsistent their own views are.

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Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society.

In Robert Heinlein's novel Friday, the hero of the story is given an assignment by her employer. She is asked to identify the symptoms of decaying/dying society. She names many symptoms but the most important is the following:

A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than a riot. The symptom is especially serious in that an individual displaying it never thinks of it as a sign of ill health or poor breeding, but as proof of his / her strength.

I am persuaded that Heinlein was correct about this.

Centrism doesn't mean anything.

Take Person A who is anti-gun, anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti-immigration, anti-free market, and anti-environmentalism. Person A holds the same number of left-wing policies as right-wing policies and therefore is a centrist.

Now take Person B who is pro-gun, pro-abortion, pro-death penalty, pro-immigration, pro-free market, and pro-environmentalism. Person B holds the same number of left-wing policies as right-wing policies and therefore is a centrist.

Both people are centrists and yet they couldn't be farther apart from what they want their government to look like. Centrism isn't a coherent way to govern. Most Centrists disagree with each other. People who call themselves "Centrists" just want to avoid the shitstorm between right and left regardless of how inconsistent their own views are.

Thats not the point. The point of centrism is that you don't always need to go to the extremes. Not allowing ALL guns, not allowing ALL abortions, etc etc.
Centrists just want compromises. Like allowing free-trade in general, but installing some restrictions like minimum wage, marternal leave, etc. Sure people can disagree on certain issues, but that isn't limited to centrism, like you say. Every ideology has room for arguments, and the more extreme ones tend to have more.

right guys let's just have a compromise on the holocaust and only kill 3 million jews

The capitalist is the person with the expertise to start and manage a factory. He builds capital, all the while not getting paid since the factory isn't producing. Only when the factory begins producing does he begin to see a return on investment.

The worker gets paid from day one. He voluntarily decides to give up access to surplus in exchange for an immediate source of income, and in exchange for not having to grow the factory from the ground up and continually manage it.

Since labor and management have different skillsets and different time-preferences, their relationship is symbiotic rather than parasitic.

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Since labor and management have different skillsets and different time-preferences, their relationship is symbiotic rather than parasitic.

In theory, yes - in reality, no.

you're making an assertion without any premises and basic logic or evidence

actually reading books about economics is a better way to learn about these things, since personal experience creates bias and most of the underlying philosophy and history of economics is not made apparent by wageslaving.

we do not live in a Hoppean or a Rothbardian civilization so working for a corporation in 2017 USA reveals nothing about those particular philosophies of economics. We live in a corporate interventionist state.