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Fall/Rise of clans: 10/19/2017 13:43:05


Batman
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We are near the end of this year and I think more clans have fallen than the last(-I may be wrong too). Total collapse/losing more players to other clans(let's just say 6+ as of now) is what I consider as limit to put a clan as a fallen clan.

Many clans have taken players from these fallen clans, becoming stronger and larger which can be seen as rise of clans, along with few other clans which are on the rise, starting from scratch.

Then there are stable clans, which have come from large inactive player base to active players too;

Is activity the only reason for all these three types of clans?

Edited 10/19/2017 13:43:54
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/21/2017 16:43:11


OxTheAutist 
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https://www.warlight.net/Forum/262098-edges-clan-rankings?Offset=30

according to this post, CORP and Masters are the only steady clans. Take that, all other clans!

edit: and GG too, but they're in a league slightly below us and Masters :(

Edited 10/22/2017 21:16:48
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/21/2017 23:05:20

Nauzhror 
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Can't take the ratings super serious when they call Andy the best Lynx, followed by Rento and Hades, and AG.

Timon is easily the best Lynx. I'd put Rento well ahead of Hades and AG as well. Rento vs. Andy is more of a debate in my eyes, I think both are clearly better than Hades or AG, and both worse than timon.

Edited 10/21/2017 23:06:30
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/21/2017 23:12:20


Njord 
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check the date of the tread. timon was not in lynx at that time also ag is not in lynx anymore, so that could also have been a hint

Edited 10/21/2017 23:13:41
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/21/2017 23:24:37

Nauzhror 
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Timon was absolutely in Lynx in May. He's been in Lynx for over a year.

Edited 10/21/2017 23:25:39
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/21/2017 23:35:55


Njord 
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Before i start, i want to explain my rankings. I didn't took inactive players into account. I didn't took alt accounts into account. I didn't took players like timon into consideration for any clan, since his main is in the great Fizzer Appreciation Group.


also he played for apex in cl 8, but i guess he was in lynx otherwise you would not be right
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Fall/Rise of clans: 10/22/2017 04:50:23


Regulus X
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Hopefully by this time next year, I can have this clan off the ground.
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/22/2017 09:14:29


Njord 
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CL8 was not May, 2017, it was June, 2016. You're using someone playing for Apex in 2016 as evidence of what clan they were in in 11 months later?


CL8 started in june 2016, it did not end in june 2016. CL8 divistion a ended in deceber 2016.

I don't use it for evidence were some one was 11 months later i did only write it since you stated that
He's been in Lynx for over a year.


but to claim he wasn't in Lynx a mere 5 months ago is totally wrong.

he has many accounts, and since you cant have a player severeal places in a ranking you need to pin down a main.

Edited 10/22/2017 09:21:53
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/22/2017 11:03:14


Platinum
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Timon wasn't in Lynx , If I remember correctly him moving his account into Lynx roughly a few months ago

But of course the best guy to answer this is the man himself.
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/22/2017 11:57:16


Edge 
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That's fine, I didn't see that till now, but to claim he wasn't in Lynx a mere 5 months ago is totally wrong.


I don't even know if he was in Lynx 5 months ago or not with an alt, but tbh that doesn't matter.

One thing intrigues me through. How do u think u can talk about those rankings when u weren't on your own here 5 months ago and even many more months prior that date? Why are u even trying to debate on it, when u clearly have a lack of knowledge about that time frame?
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/22/2017 12:27:07


Madara Uchiha
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1. Masters (steady)
3. GG (steady)
19. CORP (steady)


Though the steady is compared with the clan ranking, it is not nice to ignore GG Ox ;)
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Fall/Rise of clans: 10/22/2017 15:37:19


timon92 
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I want to finish this dumb discussion regarding since when I was a member of Lynx. I checked old mails in my inbox.
21.07.2016: I joined Lynx with the account which is currently in FAG.
9.07.2017: I joined Lynx with this account (which was previously in FAG) and joined FAG with the account that was previously in Lynx.

Please get back on the topic.
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/22/2017 15:45:16


Platinum
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That sorts that ^

For me the clans that have gone up recently would be, SNinja with a few new recruits but it's still strange how they are WGs sister clan. VIW are recruiting hard but member rentention is poor so.. They are improving I would say. Nobody else really worth noting.

Clans declining lately.. Turtles maybe with a few inactives and stuff. Although they got 2 new recruits Laith + Tian0 it doesn't replace the quality right now. Maybe.

This is just lately not really a year analysis.

Although my conclusion is the clans are overall on a decrease due to too many clans but not enough members to adequately fill the clans.
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/22/2017 20:47:59


Njord 
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I'm vocal, and opinionated, but I'm not a dumbass.


perhaps i misunderstand something because i not a native speaker, but is opinionated and dumbass not somewhat related. the opinionated person have very strong opinions and refuse to accept that they may be wrong, that would mean that they are often wrong about things and therefore not very smart?

Edited 10/22/2017 20:50:09
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/22/2017 22:16:11

Nauzhror 
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That seems more like a modern reinterpretation of what opinionated originally meant.

The words origins date back to the 1600's, it being used as a pejorative and having negative connotations is a more recent interpretation.

I was absolutely not claiming that I refuse to acknowledge when I am wrong, or that I continue to hold an opinion even once it has been proven to be wrong. I moreso meant that I tend to be vocal when it comes to voicing my opinions.

I feel far too many people are afraid to be wrong, or they are afraid they might offend others, so they remain silent rather than speaking.
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/22/2017 22:35:16


Njord 
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ok, my association was that it might come from opinio = to believe, that being in opposition to knowing something
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/22/2017 22:38:14


knyte 
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The real question is whether Warlight has been the same since Poon Squad's decline.
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/22/2017 23:15:02


Platinum
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Anyways..

A good clan would be the balence of the 3 types you mentioned Batman. To keep a clan solid requires a good leader and it takes a special leader to increase growth within a clan. Time can be a enemy or a friend for clans at different times. Enemy in the sense, You are not growing and you're heavily relying on the same number of individuals to put in the time + effort. Friend in the sense, You are recruiting and constantly recycling players but ultimately growing to a larger broadened base while other clans fall.
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/22/2017 23:44:23


knyte 
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To keep a clan solid requires a good leader


What's your definition of a good leader? One that can keep a clan solid?
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/23/2017 07:54:33

[V.I.W] ilpeggiore
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You need a good player, willing to organi e tournament, help other and train his mates i think
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/23/2017 15:59:39


Platinum
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What's your definition of a good leader? One that can keep a clan solid?


Good is subjective so I can only say what I think is a good leader. A good leader is someone who leads by example, Instead of sitting on their arse and barking orders or what they want to see in players (e.g type in clan chats). The leader will lead by example by doing the stuff. When you see your "leader" or someone you respect doing something or iniating something. A member will follow. Basic sheep psychology right there.

So socially you can be leading.

In the buisness clan sense, You have to try and gain more members then you lose. Growth is important in the players you keep. Member retention is important. Overall, You need to keep all these stable and no major fluctiations in members. For example Outlaws in terms of CL is pretty good. Keeping all their CL main players and are growing internally. Stronger not declining. Growth can be in skill, Community development or simply numbers. It's all subjective and up for personal customisation.

You can divide clan leading into many sub-parts. Every leader will have a strength or weakness in some areas.

Luck doesn't determine if you succeed or not. It determines how fast you will suceed or not. Aslong as you have the right work/attitude you should be continually improving. How much you will be improving can be influenced out of stuff you just simply can't control. All you can do is simply keep doing the right thing. The daily grind ;)
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/24/2017 17:59:09


Cowboy 
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I've always preferred the council approach. But even then councils need someone to lead, while also being able to maintain activity in it.

The fall of the FCC had a ton to do with not removing inactive players from leadership. Had we cycled in better leaders who wanted to proactively push the clan forward, we'd still be around today.
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/24/2017 18:32:47


knyte 
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Thing is, just like with companies, sports teams, and governments, the ultimate arbiter of what makes a good leader/manager is just success. So it's tautological to say that a good organization needs a good leader when we define good leaders around good organizations.

Good is just whatever works. When trying to define it, we just fall back on our ideas of strategies that work, but those are just working hypothesis that'll get upended as soon as someone comes up with a better approach.

There's no new information in the claim that it takes a good leader to run a good organization.

That said, it's interesting what sorts of beliefs people have about leadership now and how they've changed over the past few months/years.

Edited 10/24/2017 18:34:45
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/24/2017 21:06:03


Platinum
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Leading is a results game really, Though you have to do the best with the tools your given also.

I read a book about the Nike creator Phil Knight and he conclusively decided that luck does play a part in if you succeed (big or not I suppose) . That the harder you work, The better your tao (luck in japanese) meaning your better chance for success. He was into this stuff when he was touring around Japan after he graduated buisness school. So he always had these beliefs.

But logically, In the buisness world. I agree with what he means. You do need a bit of luck to go your way. Rather that means a buisness just crashing with corruption/scandal or a clan dividing up and giving you a opportunity to poach freely at your own will.

So far, The luck for clans to get good recruits is probably the lowest it's ever been. Looking around the forums/ladders to find that next talent is like finding a needle in a haystack. A few months ago, I could have a few I could have a interest in! Now just 1 at best.. Is that because Outlaws is improving? No. Cause I've never been a type of person to recruit basely on skill. Attitude and potential growth of a player has always been my focus..
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/24/2017 22:39:30


Batman
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Wow, thank you Platinum.
You brought this back on topic and nice advice there.

I was about to bring that topic of council run clans vs one player lead clans, as in both cases there are successes as well as failures too. Newer clans are bought now and coming up and maybe boosting the good recruits count in near future.

Edited 10/24/2017 22:40:01
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/25/2017 11:16:23

Pulsey
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Nauzhror, please stop.
Fall/Rise of clans: 10/25/2017 16:42:57


Platinum
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I was about to bring that topic of council run clans vs one player lead clans, as in both cases there are successes as well as failures too. Newer clans are bought now and coming up and maybe boosting the good recruits count in near future.


Councils are good if you need a collective effort. If you have 1 leader that's able to do the job, The 1 leader is just more effective and faster. However in WarLight due to the extreme low of members. You really don't need to install a "system" as such. You know who's the leader and who is the kind to assist and stuff. It's all in sociology. If it was a game where you would have 100s of players inside a clan/guild. You would need a structure to maintain order and make it function efficiently. You have a more "family atmosphere" here with clans then you do with other games.

In Strategic clans (top level) you don't need to be told who is "X" leader and who helps lead the clan occasionally, You just know. However, Ideally you need a leader. The leader is 1 person. This is a game that you play with free-time. Meaning the leader will be inconsistent at times in actually "leading" the clan because this isn't a job but a hobby/free-time activity. Because of this, You just need a group of players to step-in to just make sure the clan just doesn't go downhill but stable-ish. Think of it as a safety-net.

Really though, Clans should be a collective effort from all its members to be made "better" for e.g different members taking charge of events , someone suggesting "new recruits".. This is what it really should be. That's the perfect scenario and this practice should be encouraged where possible. You don't need a official title to given the licence to innovate or improvise or contribute.
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