I bet that Spain will win. From Google Translate of Spanish newspapers it seems that Spain is pushing businesses to leave Catalonia. This is just the first step.

Not all Catalans hate Spain or want to leave it.

but now they will

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politics are not fought with the military, if they deploy the army then at some time(not now) they will lose

yes look at all of the european colonies and the soviet union and and and.....

ooh a city yes yes yes. then your right ofc a single example then ofc your right

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By being sufficiently harsh you mean more than this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mau_Mau_Uprising

if you really think the Spanish government would go further than this then you're delusional

i dont really know, do you mean a genocide? because that is the only thing that is harsher then what i mentioned

come on ox, thats nothing

also... Srebenica is in Bosnia & Herzegovina, jus' sayin'.

If you exterminate every single person of ethnicity A then the A identity will be gone. Period.

.If you exterminate every single person of ethnicity A then the A identity will be gone. Period.

sure they could kill all 9 million catalans

you've absolutely failed to prove why repression works. On the one hand, there's the evidence of the Soviet Union falling, as well as Western Imperialism. Your argument is "there's this one town in this one country that's not exactly Serbia, but it's in the part of another country that's sympathetic to Serbia and the town has a lot of Serbs in it, but not quite the majority".

which side holds more weight?

Brutal force is not necessary. Strangling their economy and isolating them politically will break independence movements all the same.

they have failed to do that for the last 300 years, but now is the time were they will succeed i understand.

Under Spain they have access to EU deals and global trade.

That will change if secession happens.

yes your right, who would want to trade with the most industrialised part of spain also everyone knows that if your are below 10 million people, you can't be a member of the eu or trade in general

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The EU isn't going to recognize Catalonia for fear of angering Spain. In addition, they'd risk emboldening separatists in other EU nations. It doesn't matter how industrialized they are, global economy is a team game and by illegally breaking away Catalonia would be off the team.

Spain's non European allies would also refuse to recognize in all likelihood.

Catalonia will still be able to trade in some degree I'm sure. But they'll have to deal with tarrifs and regulations that they didn't have to as part of Spain.

Also, IIRC, can't any EU member veto a new entry?

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MUH SHEKELS

You all think think the insane dumfucks will make everyone suffer. Let us just hope it gets solved acceptable (aka more autonomy but no independence).

I'm not saying the Spanish government is right.

Merely pointing out why Catalan independence is likely to be a huge mistake.

You're going to ignore the outcome of the vote anyway, why go full ussr on the citizens?

Because Spain like all EU countries is controlled by corrupt demogogues with their corporate sponsors telling them to do this and that with no organic input from anyone.

Though I have to hand it to Macron; that man is articulate and knows much more about the Western tradition than one would expect of an EU politician. I think Macron is a crypto traditionalist. He knows about Hegel and has almost certainly read Spengler.