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Idea for immigration: 8/31/2017 06:42:55

Japanball
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Shit, who said anything about concentration camps?
Idea for immigration: 8/31/2017 17:59:10


Padraig
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We could set aside land from immigrants to come to, separate to native society. If they, over a set period of time, prove themselves to be law abiding and there is space in the country, they can integrate. If they are not law abiding, they can stay there or go somewhere else.


A concentration camp is a sort of jail. Unlike other jails it contains a substantial area of land. Like other types of jails it is walled and the inmates are not allowed the freedom to leave. You propose a set aside land. To leave it immigrants must prove themselves. They are held on remand. That is they must be granted parole to leave. To do so they must prove themselves to be law abiding, which is exactly the state of affairs which hold in jail. I expect that you will say that the immigrants under your proposal may return to their country of origin. That is true in some cases, in other cases it is not true. When it is not true you will have taken a victimized person and incarcerated them with the demand that they prove themselves. Asking people to prove themselves before they are granted citizenship is not unusual. To restrict their freedom as you propose is something else.

Consider the various refugee camps which have existed on our muddled planet, in some cases for decades. According to David Miliband (who works on behalf of refugees) the average time spent in refugee camps is seventeen years. In some cases people spend their entire lives in these camps. It is an unsurprising and lamentable fact that the longer refugee camps are in existence the lower the amount of governmental funding, and NGO funding, that is available. One aspect of refugee camps, which again should not surprise anyone, is that the governments of the lands on which they are sited do not want them to exist permanently. As a result, efforts to improve the camps are resisted. That is the camps are deliberately maintained in a state of squalor.

My objection to your idea is that these set aside areas, will be jails. To call them anything else would be a blandishment. And they would very easily devolve into the sort of nasty squalor found in refugee and concentration camps.

If the people immigrating to your country are causing problems don't let them in, or permanently deport them.
Idea for immigration: 8/31/2017 18:06:43

Japanball
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Fine. Call it a jail. In what ways are jails bad?
Idea for immigration: 9/1/2017 07:07:42


Padraig
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With some luck you will never have any first hand experience, of how awful jail can be, either for yourself or anyone you care about.

In the United States we are very enthusiastic about throwing people in jail. We are unrivaled.

It may be for that reason that I am so sickened by any plan to ruin more lives in that way, even if it is spoken of in jest.

If you want to learn about jail, there is a vast literature on the subject. The following are two modest suggestions to begin a longer list.

Prisoners of Honour by David Levering Lewis

Borstal Boy by Brendan Behan

A review of Prisoners of Honour: https://thereadermagazine.co.uk/2014/06/15/where-a-good-book-might-take-you-by-erwin-james-2/

A review of Borstal Boy: https://www.colcannon.com/blog/blog/book-review-borstal-by-by-brendan-behan
Idea for immigration: 9/1/2017 07:40:16

Japanball
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Why does it have to be like American jails? Why not like Dutch jails?
Idea for immigration: 9/1/2017 16:01:20

strongkillaz
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no one wants to be held in captivity you fool we all wanna be free
Idea for immigration: 9/1/2017 16:26:23


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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^ yeh muh nyukka wez wan' beh free n' shiet le's go n rape diz girl yo dis (french - british - german) got DA booty.
Idea for immigration: 9/1/2017 17:07:12


Diety Emperor Cacao, God Ruler of the Universe 
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You do realize these people will actually not assimilate at all, They will just become a separate country. Muslims do these kinds of things and they aren't given land.
Idea for immigration: 9/1/2017 17:11:52


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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^
Idea for immigration: 9/6/2017 03:25:18


Hidden Hand 
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Idea for immigration: 9/6/2017 04:45:23


Wulfhere
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I've never seen so much confusion and disillusionment coming from one person on these forums. I'm at a loss for words. The gentleman by the name of "Hidden Hand" is crazy, but in a fun way. I'm not complaining.
Idea for immigration: 9/6/2017 23:56:08


l4v.r0v 
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Yeah, that's called California.
Idea for immigration: 9/7/2017 00:41:03


Wulfhere
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for once I agree with you
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