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Idea for immigration: 8/26/2017 19:12:39


Japanball 
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We could set aside land from immigrants to come to, separate to native society. If they, over a set period of time, prove themselves to be law abiding and there is space in the country, they can integrate. If they are not law abiding, they can stay there or go somewhere else.
Idea for immigration: 8/26/2017 19:13:42


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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lmfao good laugh
Idea for immigration: 8/26/2017 19:17:33


Japanball 
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Trouble is, there need to be a place it can be done. In Africa, everywhere's full due to excessive reproduction and/or too hostile. Maybe we can use a place like Montana or SW Wales
Idea for immigration: 8/26/2017 19:23:29


Japanball 
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So basically, you're for ultra-anchoring?
Idea for immigration: 8/26/2017 19:35:07


Japanball 
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I should be able to be a citizen of my place because by great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparent lived there.
Idea for immigration: 8/26/2017 19:39:43


Japanball 
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But my great-great-great-great-great-grandmother was from Asia, s I should be able to go there freely!
Idea for immigration: 8/26/2017 20:31:00


OxTheAutist 
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Yeah, segregation worked out so well in the past. Are you high?
Idea for immigration: 8/26/2017 20:33:21


OxTheAutist 
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Also, you don't seem to have a very well developed view of population density. Africa isn't that densely populated, yet, and some places aren't dense at all. The Sahara isn't densely populated, and never will be.

"well duh the sahara is sparse for a reason"

so is Montana. The weather's shit, there are no cities, the terrain's not good for anything. Sounds a lot like the Sahara tbh.
Idea for immigration: 8/27/2017 05:42:37

strongkillaz
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wait wtf im back and there are TWO tabbys?!

o god
Idea for immigration: 8/28/2017 01:14:16


OxTheAutist 
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a whOOOOOle thirty thousand people!!!!11one

lmao such city
Idea for immigration: 8/28/2017 01:22:38


Жұқтыру 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamanrasset

also the definition of a city is pretty subjective. mostly the governments choose it. There are "cities" of less than 1000 folk in the world.
Idea for immigration: 8/28/2017 01:31:20


Жұқтыру 
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let's play the "rationalist taboo" game you are fond of.

Ox = city over 100k or so (I'm guessing)
you = whatever the government says
Idea for immigration: 8/28/2017 01:48:32


OxTheAutist 
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Nouakchott is a city in the Sahara with nearly a million people. I was comparing the two regions, because they have a lot of similar traits, hence why they are both sparsely populated. You decided to say that I was wrong because Montana has some small to average size cities..? You did what you usually do, and that is focus in on literally one word instead of comment on the idea at all. Forgive me if I'm jumping to conclusions, but I believe that's a common trait in autistic people. Ubermenschen indeed.
Idea for immigration: 8/28/2017 02:06:50


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We could set aside land from immigrants to come to, separate to native society. If they, over a set period of time, prove themselves to be law abiding and there is space in the country, they can integrate. If they are not law abiding, they can stay there or go somewhere else.


I hate this idea for so many reasons.

Firstly, and most obvious one, you'd need the government to buy or seize land from its citizens, and then give it to foreigners. I can only imagine how thrilled people will be when they learn that.

Secondly, you're just gonna create a proxy country inside your own country, segregation never really worked well, and chances are you're just gonna end up with a bunch of people wanting their own laws and rules, making any prospect of them joining the "main" country an impossible thing.

Thirdly, you're not helping anyone assimilate into your country, which MUST be your objective with immigration. You got to offer people education, teach them your culture and language, offer them the same rights as citizens and the same duties as well.

Fourthly, the best way to assimilate large ammounts of migrants is to spread them out in your country, putting everyone into "guettos" will make it impossible for them to really become citizens.

Lastly, it's very hard to measure if someone is ready to integrate your society, you have very subjective jugements to make, you need to put a lot of ressources into it, and at the end of the day you can just fail, letting people that shouldn't enter, in, and people that should enter, out (a lot like prison lol).
Idea for immigration: 8/28/2017 04:53:33


𝔟𝔲𝔣𝔣𝔞𝔩𝔬 
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lets give a bunch of foreigners their own free colony within our nation! great idea japanball
Idea for immigration: 8/28/2017 04:56:21


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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Ox got deleted.
Idea for immigration: 8/28/2017 22:34:50


OnlyThePie
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Lol who's gonna give up their land for this?
Idea for immigration: 8/28/2017 23:41:46


Strategery
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We can set up something similar to Native American Reservations.

Here is a map of all native American reservations (https://earthzine.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/image021.jpg)
Idea for immigration: 8/30/2017 15:31:33


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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Idea for immigration: 8/31/2017 02:15:36


Padraig 
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Japanball if you feel you have cause, when you reach the age of majority, and can cast a vote, vote against immigration, or to severely limit it. Before that time you may write to your elected officials. It is the usual practice for them to reply to you. Their responses can be of interest.

As to your proposal of segregating immigrants in concentration camps, it is by turns, ridiculous and morally wrong.

Edited 8/31/2017 02:15:56
Idea for immigration: 8/31/2017 06:42:55


Japanball 
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Shit, who said anything about concentration camps?
Idea for immigration: 8/31/2017 17:59:10


Padraig 
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We could set aside land from immigrants to come to, separate to native society. If they, over a set period of time, prove themselves to be law abiding and there is space in the country, they can integrate. If they are not law abiding, they can stay there or go somewhere else.


A concentration camp is a sort of jail. Unlike other jails it contains a substantial area of land. Like other types of jails it is walled and the inmates are not allowed the freedom to leave. You propose a set aside land. To leave it immigrants must prove themselves. They are held on remand. That is they must be granted parole to leave. To do so they must prove themselves to be law abiding, which is exactly the state of affairs which hold in jail. I expect that you will say that the immigrants under your proposal may return to their country of origin. That is true in some cases, in other cases it is not true. When it is not true you will have taken a victimized person and incarcerated them with the demand that they prove themselves. Asking people to prove themselves before they are granted citizenship is not unusual. To restrict their freedom as you propose is something else.

Consider the various refugee camps which have existed on our muddled planet, in some cases for decades. According to David Miliband (who works on behalf of refugees) the average time spent in refugee camps is seventeen years. In some cases people spend their entire lives in these camps. It is an unsurprising and lamentable fact that the longer refugee camps are in existence the lower the amount of governmental funding, and NGO funding, that is available. One aspect of refugee camps, which again should not surprise anyone, is that the governments of the lands on which they are sited do not want them to exist permanently. As a result, efforts to improve the camps are resisted. That is the camps are deliberately maintained in a state of squalor.

My objection to your idea is that these set aside areas, will be jails. To call them anything else would be a blandishment. And they would very easily devolve into the sort of nasty squalor found in refugee and concentration camps.

If the people immigrating to your country are causing problems don't let them in, or permanently deport them.
Idea for immigration: 8/31/2017 18:06:43


Japanball 
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Fine. Call it a jail. In what ways are jails bad?
Idea for immigration: 9/1/2017 07:07:42


Padraig 
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With some luck you will never have any first hand experience, of how awful jail can be, either for yourself or anyone you care about.

In the United States we are very enthusiastic about throwing people in jail. We are unrivaled.

It may be for that reason that I am so sickened by any plan to ruin more lives in that way, even if it is spoken of in jest.

If you want to learn about jail, there is a vast literature on the subject. The following are two modest suggestions to begin a longer list.

Prisoners of Honour by David Levering Lewis

Borstal Boy by Brendan Behan

A review of Prisoners of Honour: https://thereadermagazine.co.uk/2014/06/15/where-a-good-book-might-take-you-by-erwin-james-2/

A review of Borstal Boy: https://www.colcannon.com/blog/blog/book-review-borstal-by-by-brendan-behan
Idea for immigration: 9/1/2017 07:40:16


Japanball 
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Why does it have to be like American jails? Why not like Dutch jails?
Idea for immigration: 9/1/2017 16:01:20

strongkillaz
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no one wants to be held in captivity you fool we all wanna be free
Idea for immigration: 9/1/2017 16:26:23


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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^ yeh muh nyukka wez wan' beh free n' shiet le's go n rape diz girl yo dis (french - british - german) got DA booty.
Idea for immigration: 9/1/2017 17:07:12


Cacao
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You do realize these people will actually not assimilate at all, They will just become a separate country. Muslims do these kinds of things and they aren't given land.
Idea for immigration: 9/1/2017 17:11:52


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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Idea for immigration: 9/6/2017 03:25:18


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