as much as i love this arguments i think we should focus on the map if u want to continue this arguments make threads for them good work loki

Not a big fan of the map. Some of the metabonuses are too strong.

I think Friesland and North Holland should connect, and the northern territory of North Holland with Flevoland because they do so in real life. Although it might seem illogical, a yellow line to resemble the dike's can do the trick.

@Loki:
The connections Moros is referring to are called the "Afsluitdijk" and the "Houtribdijk", respectively. You can take a look at the map called "The Netherlands" (made (adopted??) by Domenico) to see them drawn in. Especially the Afsluitdijk is both a small miracle of engineering (it turned a sea into a lake) and a piece of national pride. ;) I'd really like and appreciate if you could add them in! :)

To be honest, neither of those connections will affect playability of the map very much. However, for Dutch people, it would feel very weird (and maybe a little "wrong") if we can't use a connection we know is there. Same as not being able to attack Southern Sweden from Copenhagen, or Southern England from Northwestern France (through the Channel Tunnel).

The reason i haven't make connections is that i was expect you will tell me about it. I know you're from Netherlands so tell me which territories should connect across IJsselmeer. I have read about Zuiderzee Works 2 years ago in book of water management and I agree with you that is miracle of engineering.;)

Not a big issue, but it looks weird to have two suffixes for bonuses, respectively "Holland" and "Netherlands", is it deliberate?

Because I'm not sure if you read them, here are my two posts from the previous page again:

Ah, I like how you drew the Netherlands. If you needed them, I could give you fitting names for the territories you have chosen, but that's up to you.
Five questions:
You made the Wadden Islands all a different territory, but the German ones you didn't even include. Perhaps you could draw them for Germany, but make them part of a territory next to them.

I think Friesland and North Holland should connect, and the northern territory of North Holland with Flevoland because they do so in real life. Although it might seem illogical, a yellow line to resemble the dike's can do the trick.

And the last one, on your small map, you made the base color for the Netherlands orange. I don't deny that is an appropriate color, but the pink for Central Netherlands and the grey for Friesland don't seem to be in that color range. I don't know if you are going to use my color scheme or not, but it does look weird as it is now.

I think the territory below the most southeastern territory of South Holland should connect to the southwestern most territory of South Holland, the one with the island.

Why has suddenly the bonus value of the Netherlands dropped to 15? The population is still 16.669.112, and I thought you based the bonus values on that.

@RvW

Houtribdijk? I once drove over it, and someone in Enkhuizen we asked about it called it the Lelydijk.

@Grzechooo

Holland is the old province which is currently divided in Noord-Holland and Zuid-Holland (Noord=North, Zuid=South). Holland should never be used to refer to the whole country, only to the province(s) One exception is the soccer team, you can refer to that as Holland.

And here's an image showing where the connections should be:
http://i42.tinypic.com/34yycgn.png

And I didn't know if you wanted them, but I've also given names to each territory.
But if you already had others in mind feel free to use them. Also, because part of some territory names are Dutch, and you may want to make them all English, just replace noord with north, zuid with south, van with of, Den Haag with The Hague, and Utrechtse heuvelrug with Utrecht Hill Ridge.

@Moros:
I didn't have a clue what it's called; I simply looked it up on Wikipedia. To be honest, I was expecting something like "Markerwaarddijk". (And to be even more honest, I think "Houtribdijk" sounds incredibly lame. ;) ). But, like I more-or-less said in my previous post, I want the connection to be there because I know the dike is there; I don't really care too much about its name (which won't even appear in-game anyway).

@Loki:
I heard somewhere the Discovery Channel once made an episode (of Extreme Engineering or something probably) about "The Netherlands". Not one project, or a part of the country, they just considered the entire country one big piece of engineering.
As a friend of mine once put it: "God created the World in six days. On the seventh day, while He was having a rest, the Dutch immediately redesigned the Netherlands. (Seriously God, that bunch of lakes just has to go, we're building our capital city there!)". On a related note, I'm pretty sure Slartibartfast was Dutch. ;)
Now, let's see what you're planning for the rest of the Benelux. (Speaking of the Benelux, how's Benelux Big coming along Moros? :) )

Oh, and a piece of actually constructive feedback: I think you forgot the capital-city star-shaped bonus for the Netherlands. A quick check looks like you also forgot them for most of the ex-Yugoslavia countries, Romania, Bulgaria and Switzerland.

Awesome!

I can't wait. (well, i can. but I am very excited to see it done.)

also, if you are looking for playtesters, I am more than happy to help.

>^..^<

Slartibartfast was Dutch... I always knew!
And the Benelux is going as it goes. I know I work rather slow, but I'm sure you will forgive me when you see the result. If there is any news, such as asking people to test, I'll tell you.

Ah, that explains it, this is what happens when you try to be smarter than someone who lives there (The Netherlands) ^^

It looks like a great map to me.Tnx for al the good things about the country i live in (the netherlands).
If U finished the map U should combinate it with US BIG and make a big map of the world. (of most countrys/continents is already a big map so just put them together)
But this map is perhaps the best map ever made. =-}

@min34
Most likely it would hit the limit of number of territories (it's 3200 as far as I remember, it's somewhere on the Wiki).

u didn't make montegoro's capital part of montegory bonus

this formula is good to work out meta bonus for countries i made it myself country territories divide number territories by 10.t/10=mb
example portugal
meta bonus 2 total bonus 16
switzerland
meta bonus 1 total bonus 1
don't use for countries where meta bonus is there only bonus
or countries where the other bonus is just capital
this one seems fairer then the population one

sorry to6tal bonus switzerland 10 typo

u may have to round up when using it

Ironheart, there's a button that says "Preview" right next to "Post"; since this forum doesn't allow editing after you post something, please make good use of its previewing capability. ;)

Basing the national bonuses on real-life population size is a decision by the map maker. While I understand you might not like it, it's not inherently "wrong". Also, nothing prevents you (once the map has been published) to redesign all the bonus values and make a template with those values overridden. You can even share that template with other users.

rvw yes i sometimes forget to preview second that will take long and if i making changes to a map and it takes too long my comp will time out and i lose or the changes it happened when i was making changes to Europa babourium map

I'm still pushing for Kosovo to become a new bonus, separate from South Serbia, or for whatever remains of the bonus to join with East Serbia.