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Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 04:20:37


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Unsheltered Homeless (2009)
Women – 12,000 – 4%
Men – 240,000 – 96%

Life Expectancy (2006)
Women – 80.8 Years
Men – 75.7 Years

Suicides (2008)
Women – 7,585 - 19%
Men – 28,450 - 81%

Deaths by Homicide (2004)
Women – 3,856 – 20%
Men – 14,717 – 80%

Deaths from Cancer (2004)
Women – 269,819
Men – 290,069

Deaths from HIV/AIDS (2004)
Women – 3,357
Men – 8,756

Federal Funds for Sex Specific Cancer Research
Women – Breast Cancer – $631,000,000 - 40,000 Deaths
Men – Prostate Cancer – $300,000,000 - 33,000 Deaths

Deaths on the Job (2010)
Women – 355 - 7%
Men – 4,192 - 93%

Injuries on the Job (2007)
Women – 36%
Men – 64%

College Enrollment (2009)
Women – 58% - 11,658,000
Men – 42% - 8,770,000

Affirmative Action Education Programs (Gender Specific)
Women – Yes
Men – No

Unemployment Rates (2010)
Women – 8.6% – 6,199,000
Men – 10.5% - 8,626,000

Average Hours Worked Per Week (2010)
Women – 36.1
Men – 40.2

High School Graduation Rates (2005)
Women – 72%
Men – 65%

Incarceration Rates (2009)
Women – 114,979 - 7%
Men – 1,502,490 - 93%

Child Custody Rates
Women – 11,268,000 custodial mothers
Men – 2,907,000 custodial fathers

US Military Deaths From 1950 – 2010
Women – 139 - 0.001%
Men – 100,063 - 99.99%

Federally Funded Battered Shelters
Women – 2,000+ $300,000,000 per year
Men – None – $0

Federally Funded Health Offices and Research 1970 – Present (not including cancer research)

Women Only – Office, Projects and Programs 70+ – Funds – $100,000,000,000
Men Only – None – $0

Forced Selective Service
Women – No
Men – Yes

Drug and Alcohol Addiction and Abuse Rates (2010)
Women – 5.8%
Men – 12.2%

Divorce filings
Women - 85%
Men - 15%

Doctor Degrees(2010)
Women - 51.6%
Men - 48.4%

Master's Degrees(2010)
Women - 60.3%
Men - 39.7%

Receive Alimony
Women:97%
Men: 3% (if you're a male, it's temporary. Women have it permanently)


-Women can sleep with their bosses to go further up the ladder
Men cannot (unless they want a harassment charge)

-Women serve less prison time for the same crimes.

-Murder cases, More men get death sentences than women.

-Police protect women more than men.

- Men give gifts to Women on Valentines day > A must! To men? > Optional

-Women hit men > OK. Men hit Women > Evil

-Women looks at men's crotch > Compliment. Man looks at womens Breast > Pervert

-Women doing heavy lifting > Unacceptable. Men doing Heavy lifting > Acceptable

-Girl says ''Lets split the Bill'' > Independent. Guy says ''lets split the Bill'' > He is Cheap.

-Marriage in decline > Man's fault

-More single Women nowadays? Is it the Fault of the individual? NOPE > MAN'S FAULT

-Woman rejects man's marriage proposal > That's okay ''SISTERHOOD!''. Man rejects Womans marriage proposal > ''Fucking Asshole''

-Women have more opportunities/pay in modelling than men.

-Women can use sex to get what they want, Men cannot.

-Man rapes woman > Monster! He deserves to be in Hell!! Woman rapes man > Oh dear >_>

-Woman cries rape > Police take Man to prison. Man cries rape > Police: LOL

-Woman gets rejected at a bar > ''You inconsiderate bastard!!!'' Man gets rejected at a bar > shrug Deal with it


women have...

-the privilege of choosing to bear children without being held responsible for them(abortion adoption safe drop sites)in the same way men currently are.

-the privilege of voting without having to register for the draft

-the privilege of being viewed as a minority group even though women are a majority of the voters a majority of the employed and a majority of college grads, while enjoying all the "extra's" that come with being viewed as a minority.

-the privilege of having Domestic Violence resources available to you as a woman while men who experience DV have nothing.

-the privilege of having hundreds of gendered government offices working on your issues.

-the privilege of having your own gendered arm of the UN representing you.

-I can go on and on and on, dare I say it? * women really need to check their privilege.....*

I found this recently and I think it is the best argument for MRAs and MTGOW. Any thoughts?
Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 04:27:26

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Agreed.

MRAs inherently have a point because nature is inherently anti-male. Now we have social misandry in addition to natural misandry.

Even just correcting social misandry is not enough. We need to neutralize natural misandry as well. Anti-misandry is not misogyny which I oppose.

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Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 04:34:23


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>opposing misogyny

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Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 04:39:07

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^My definition of misogyny is different from the feminist one.

The problem with this word is that it has been grossly diluted. I doubt many people are actually misogynists in the normal sense of the word, those who hate women for being female. Misogyny can also be used in the sense of discrimination against women which is also a meaningful concept. Real misogyny is awful. However it should not be diluted to be a meaningless buzzword for the sake of violating men's rights.

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Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 04:44:11

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One key issue with feminism is that most feminists are very neurotypical hence their ideology is frequently just illogical.

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Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 04:50:32


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tl;dr
Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 06:29:01


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Yeah those are real problem that affect men but what is the point exactly? If it's that men have a lot of issues too then sure but feminists aren't denying that. In fact, feminists want to get rid of gender roles which would expel many of these issues in theory. It's only the feminists who say men have it way easier in life than women do who you should take issue with but most sane people know that men and women both have it harder than each other in different ways (for their sex).
Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 09:23:12


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Honestly those issues you point out in the second paragraph are more generalisations then they are valid arguments. Take for example this:

-Women hit men > OK. Men hit Women > Evil


This is the most absurd generalisation I've ever seen and it has no seemingly truth behind it. Why in the world would hitting men be more considered normal than hitting women. Hitting men is not ethically normal at all. It is the equal offense to hitting a man or a woman. Your illicit argument is worthless.

Anyway going back to the statistics


Injuries on the Job (2007)
Women – 36%
Men – 64%

a simple explanation is that men are more predominant to work in physical hard labour jobs such as a construction builder (98% male), dock labourer (99% male) and industrial labourer (I have no statistics on this)
Men are physically more capable of doing these jobs than women by the virtue of their hormonal differences. Women on the contrary are more predominant in the care sector and are more reluctant to have jobs such as a nurse (92%), a retirement worker (no statistics), therapist (92%), dental hygeniest (98%)

Deaths from HIV/AIDS (2004)
Women – 3,357
Men – 8,756


HIV/AIDS is more prevalent among homosexual men and is spread by sexual acts. It's such a plague that the majority of people dying from AIDS are homosexual, and explains the gender difference.

Women Only – Office, Projects and Programs 70+ – Funds – $100,000,000,000
Men Only – None – $0


that $100,000,000,000 number is hillariously funny. It's equal to the entire gdp of Croatia. Sad fact is that this number has no source whatsoever and is therefore incorrect


Average Hours Worked Per Week (2010)
Women – 36.1
Men – 40.2


Women are more reluctant to work part-time. This explains the gap. If you'd exclude women that do part-time you would have more or less the same outcome for both men and women


I could challenge some more statistics on your list but I'm too deprived to write another wall of text. Anyways I'd not blame everything on gender roles. It's far more complex than that. However, the education system definitely can be fixed if you abolish the gender roles
Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 09:32:12


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I am for women's rights and men's rights. In first world countries, women seem to get more benefits than men in society. Sad. When will this macroliberal-funded charade end?
Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 15:44:28


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Do one for KSA edition.
Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 15:45:13

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^In the NT Wahhabi Entity we need to promote feminism.

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Just because in many insect species the male exists only to reproduce and then die does not mean nature as a whole hates males.
Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 15:48:50

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@NT apollong3 Nature is indeed misandric. Just think about humans.

How many wars involve massacres of men and how many involve massacres of women? Have we ever seen some army march into a settlement and exterminate all women while all men are spared?

I hope you aren't too NT or too sexual to recognize the uncomfortable truth.

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Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 16:03:02


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This all basically comes down to this. Do we want to eliminate gender roles or do we not?

Belgian Gentleman made good points. Men are biologically more equipped to work physically intensive jobs. Women are biologically more equipped to work social and nurturing jobs, and that's why we have those gender disparities in employment. Do we want to get rid of that and create 50/50 parity between these jobs? I don't think so.

The reason it's usually considered worse to hit a woman than a men is because women are thought of as the weaker, more fragile and more emotional sex. I'm not gonna say this isn't the case from my own experiences. Men are definitely thought of as stronger even when they're not. Men also kinda have this drive to save women in need. Do we want to get rid of that too, so that people will care less if a woman is abused by a man? I don't think that's good either... :d

For suicide. Men commit suicide more, but women attempt it much more frequently. Depression affects women slightly more than men, but I know an MRA would never want to admit that so they go around parroting the suicide statistic and ignore the full story. For Breast Cancer / Prostate Cancer, I have read that men are less likely to see a doctor or seek medical help than women. There are many reasons why it makes sense to me that breast cancer receives almost twice the funding.

I can go on forever too but I'm gonna do other things. :p

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^I think we should eventually get rid of not just gender roles but also gender and sex altogether through transhumanism.

Replace all humans by high-IQ autistic transhumans with no gender but have predominantly human male traits. There is no more need for any nurturing in the world when transhumanism becomes reality and children are finally abolished.

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^^^And I hope you aren't too autistic to not be blinded by your own reason

Wars are not natural, they are a human construct.


Take a look at (most) mammals.

Do males have to give birth? Do they have to take care of, feed and teach their cubs for some time? No. They just spread their seeds and fuck off to find food. Hell, male lions almost never hunt and get most of the food.

I'm not saying males have it better than females. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Females don't have to fight over mating privileges, and males don't have to take care of cubs.

You are making a huge generalization, as always

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^Wars are natural. Social animals fight with other animals of the same species. Please read this link.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

Autism reveals and neurotypicality hides. Hence it is impossible to be blinded by autism as long as the autist gathers enough data.

Fighting for mating privileges is stupid and dangerous which is why males are usually less safe compared to females. Hence a sane male refuses to mate at all.

I agree that I usually make huge generalizations which can lead to wrong conclusions. When I'm wrong I'm more than willing to be corrected.

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actually about the cancer rates

men are more likely to die from disease or cancer because of hormonal differences. The female hormone is more immune to diseases than its male counterpart. This is scientific
Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 18:21:21

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^Yes. Another evidence that nature is misandric.
Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 19:05:11


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Or because males usually live a more unhealthy life. Like having jobs where they are exposed to chemicals or taking drugs (alcohol for example).
Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/25/2017 19:29:21

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^Agreed. That's a part of misandry of nature.
Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/26/2017 15:50:05


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Male nature is high risk high reward. The wealthiest most powerful humans in history have generally been men. Men also face harsher conditions: they are expected to work the most dangerous jobs, die in battle, and ultimately take the fall when their empires are destroyed. There are numerous historical examples of cultures killing the men of conquered people and absorbing their women.

There are endless alternative systems that can be planned on paper but this is the unavoidable nature of the male sex. Moral arguments do not affect reality. The ethical solution is to avoid intellectual dishonesty and allow the sexes to fulfill their most comfortable roles.
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Guys. This isn't right. We forgot the path to heaven so long ago now look what's become of us. Anime women can help you, they can help all of us. Embrace transcendence, my fellow mortals.
Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/26/2017 16:02:47

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^^I agree with your analysis. However my proposal is to use transhumanism to in essence make everyone a male eunuch. Traditional female traits are completely useless in a transhumanist nature, so does male sexuality. Hence both are going to be obsolete and needs to go.

As long as we get rid of sexuality, children and gender by making everyone a male eunuch we can forget about this issue forever.

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Everything gooks produce is inferior mass-produced "pop culture" plebeian drivel.

The people of the Far East prefer quantity over quality. The metaphysics of their soulless mantra is manifest in their physical form: small, dark, insect-like, machine-like, sameness of every individual.
Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/26/2017 16:07:59

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^What matters is whether something translates into power.

The quantity over quality approach is a temporary fix for a people who temporarily do not have quality which worked for the Soviets in WWII and works for China now. It will be a few years before quantity before quality becomes quantity and quality because NE Asia is free from low-IQ groups.

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quantity means victory at all costs. The pinnacle of quantity over quality would be a "civilization" so-to-speak, of bacteria, which very well might prevail after higher life forms disappear.

But such a "civilization" would be completely pointless, lacking any substance and reproducing for the sake of further reproduction.
Do MRA's and MGTOW have a point? (US edition): 6/26/2017 16:21:36

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^You have described what NE Asia is about. Smart, calculating, completely amoral and pretending to be obedient while pursuing power at any cost. It is truly a world of locusts.

The only thing that will destroy NE Asia is either their own excess (i.e. nuclear civil wars, AI takeover, etc) or that the entire world is completely fed up with their oppression which will be much worse than anything Western colonialism has been accused of doing.

Jews are like army ants while NE Asians are like locusts. Army ants fight for the same goal while locusts hate each other.

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I'm sure that Japanese products are generally good. Chinese products are not generally good but they are certainly improving as long as improvements result in more profits. However amorality and its consequences are not going to improve anytime soon. As long as a tribe is willing to use ethnic bioweapons, nukes etc against everyone else with no qualms and without a declaration of war others may also try to exterminate them in a preemptive strike out of the fear that as long as a strong and amoral tribe exists they are in danger. Ultimately immorality is costly.

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The reality is that some gender roles are just completely outdated and useless in modern time, while some are not and will exist forever. It's as simple as that.
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